All depends on the what special it is, what strength, what character you’re up against, how much super/ultra meter they have, etc. A lot of good sweeps can basically punish all of her SS/LT for free. LK Lynx is tough to punish because it’s so fast and only -7.
The only person who was really repping Elena was akimo.(to a lesser extent chris g) jwong was using Rufus for 90% of that tourney. He switched to Elena in top 8. The match vs infiltration was sloppy as hell and its clear he hasn’t really faced an Elna before. There were so many sweeps jwong was able to get away with that went unpunished. Sycthes that unpunished. It also showed the glaring problems of her character as the were so many times that jwon had an opportunity but something whiffed because…Elena. She might not be bottom but I def still think she’s low tier. Only mu that was heavily against her was chrisg’s Elena vs infiltrations chun and he got dismantled…
I knew people would come in here claiming she’s good.
Chris G and Justin wong were playing elena…
Chris G and Wong…
They probably have my vote for being the two best players in the USA at picking up a character in any game and doing well with them in tournament settings, regardless of how good the character is.
early marvel is a great example of that, heck even justin in marvel now.
Elena is only as solid as the player, I feel like as a character she is bad much like storm in mvc. The potential is there, you can tell why they nerfed her or didn’t get her certain tools…but over all it just holds the character back from being solid or complete
I’ve seen people say both Chun and Akuma are bad matchups. I could but wrong but I’m pretty sure you just said Akuma was a bad MU when I said she beats shoto’s. Let’s also point out infiltration played chris G before he played Wong. To claim he never played an Elena before Wong is flat out wrong. Now let’s talk about not sweeping vs Elena SS. Never mind the fact that you’re claiming infiltration isn’t going to be knowledgeable.
He played chris g and went for the sweep punish and it got blocked even ultradavid and Chen commented on how it should have been punished. Then he later plays justin after something like that happens but we already know this yet another false claim by you.
Edit: accidentally hit submit.
I’ll stop there when I look at the chris g match there’d clearly unfamiliarity for him which is evident by him going for slide under chuns projectile and him trying to for the regular bnb vs chun. But spin it how you’d like to.
nobody punished ex mallet properly
that will change by evo
Watch snakeyes vs akimo.
I didn’t know that playing a character once makes you knowledgable of the mu. I think you and I know that it isn’t the case. Also yes, I do think she’s at a disadvantage to shotos but not a serious disadvantage like vs chun, which is what you asked. Even then infiltration won anyway with a lot of missed opportunities to end the matches quicker as well.
I have no idea what you’re really claiming in your second paragraph. Fact remains that much of jwongs shit he did against infiltration went unpunished or was a weak punish.
But hey if you want to think she’s some solid character because jwong used her very late in a tournament and chrisg was able to get somewhere with her then be my guest. I guess sim must be solid too because art does well with him
Yeah it takes more than one match to learn a character. You said he had no Elena experience and he didn’t go for sweep punish vs wong. I said he went for it vs chris g and he played chris before he played justin. Now it depends on how you feel about the shoto mu slight disadvantage vs chun disadvantage. The question is if the chun MU is better why switch from chun to Akuma vs wong.
I think that there was missed opportunities on both sides. I thought she was solid before the tournament and believe that the bottom 5 claims should stop after this tournament. If chrisg had healing or double ultra do you not feel as though things would of been different?
It’s a fluke three players top eighted. Don’t you see? I still can’t win on xbl with her so she MUST be bad!
infiltration knows how to play Elena as well.
…But I do win with her online lol. A lot at that. You’re sounding more and more like a one trick pony at this point, prof.
But I guess because jwong switched to her in top 8 and chrisg played her she’s great. This is literally the equivalent of saying dudley was top in ae2012 simply because smug destroyed everyone in nlbc week after week with him. Or that deejay iis good because he ocv’d everyone on the canada team at canada cup. Acting as if the character got them to that point.
How many top 8s does Dee Jay have at majors?
Again it was Jwong, Chris G and a Japanese player.
They could have picked anyone in ultra and more than likely made it to top 8.
It doesn’t help that elena is very weird to play against if you don’t have any experience against her.
THIS. This is basically the key point some of us are missing. all 3 are top players also Jwong and Chris G are known for playing unconventional charcs all the time. They’re really really good and if they are so far the only one we see doing well with Elena then we have an issue on the level of personal skill you need to get good at SF not Elena. Winning with Elena is a fair win and a win you deserve if you get that far that means you’re an amazing player don’t let anyone take that away from you but its you not the charc who did the work cause Elena ain’t giving us anything to work with. Did we all see that whiffed RH on Akuma, Hurtbox/Hitbox, Unblockables still in, and even some hidden buffs to charc’s USF4 is not even close to Evo ready we’re gonna be seeing basically the equivalent of a Demo being played at Evo and see all the bugs break loose.
Yeah he is annoying, but that’s why it’s best to ignore him. 
“Input glitch with Elena” “I am so pissed off” “I played so perfect with spacing and everything…” Well, looks like Jwong is completely confident in the character.
Yeah that doesn’t really matter. Tier list or a character being good or bad has nothing to do with the experience you get online. If anything jwong taking infiltration akuma down to the last hit of the last game should speak highly of her because ya know it’s infiltration. But instead it’s cry that was a top player thus results invalid… I can’t follow the logic.
Infiltration used Chun in top 8, and won all of CEO. Would this mean Chun is top tier? Infiltration used Hakan at Evo in top 8 in 2012 and won Evo, did that mean that Hakan was top tier in AE2012? The information you’re pulling from is so small that it’s pretty much insignificant. The only person you can really pull from in this tourney in Akimo as he actually used her the full way through. It’s funny that you guys are mainly focusing on Jwong and Chris G(moreso Jwong) when both of these players weren’t even using her the whole way. Jwong barely used her at all. And yet because he pulled her out in top 8 when he was using Rufus nearly 100% of the time beforehand, suddenly this means that Elena got him to top 8, totally dismissing his character choice beforehand.
Sure, if my “one trick” is being correct that Elena is much better than bottom five. Which you mostly vehemently deny despite overwhelmingly mounting evidence to the contrary.
I’m still not saying she’s top tier or anything, but you guys thinking she’s under mid tier need to get over it.
Edit: While I’m at it, “charc” is the most ridiculous abbreviation for character I’ve ever seen. I thought it was an accident at first, but he just keeps charc’in’ on.
No but I believe that chrisg used Elena more than just top 8. Akimo repped her like you said. I still stand by the fact that I don’t believe Elena is bottom 5. If you look at the jwong infiltration match you can see Elena potential without a couple of missed stuff and U2 the set could have gone differently. I’m completely convinced that’s the case with chrisg vs infiltration.
Who is suggesting Elena is top tier?