Just wanted to note that Elena can low profile some projectiles with cr. Hk. Some that I’ve were able to do were Sims fireball guile’s hp and ex boom and poison hp fireball. Not sure how much this matters just some stuff I’ve noticed.
I’ve had several Poisons put out HP fireball and sneak behind it with LMT. Not sure how good the tactic is, but it’s annoying. Elena can avoid it, but she has to give up real estate to do so. She can utilize sweep at a few ranges to deal with it as well. Liking sweep overall after I got more comfortable with it.
Generally beginning to warm up to this character over time. Wasn’t what I expected, but I’m dealing. Also trying the lame U2 playstyle and I have to say, just picking U2 makes me play much more defensively without me actually trying to do so. I can see how some people find it incredibly annoying to play against, though. Landing HK Lynx will be crucial to getting the most mileage out of U2, I think.
Speaking of HK…
…does ANYTHING cancel properly into HK Rhino Horn? I’ve got a small table I made of all her valid cancels (since she has so many invalid ones) and I can’t seem to find anything that grants a combo on cancel into HK Rhino Horn.
I don’t think anything does. It’s useful after a focus crumple though if you can’t land s.hp xx mk rhino horn.
Why would getting an HK lynx tail have any affect on landing U2?
I think what he’s saying is the FADC combos you get from hk Lynx Tail you don’t need to have u1.
Ex RH os catches some back dashes and teleports. I’m not sure if you can get it to auto correct to cover the different teleports. This works against Bison sim and seth. I wasn’t able to catch eryu or Akuma teleport.
my impressions on matchups couple weeks into the game, obviously not the most credible, but I think it is up there in terms of accuracy (maybe less exaggerated).
let me know what you guys think or if you have any any questions as to why certain characters are placed there.
Elena’s matchup vs Dj isnt that great. OS Cr HP / Cr HK beats her overhead stuff pretty easily. The only thing elena has going for her in the match up is the hitbox issues which causes certain moves to whiff via jump in.
Deejay’s sobat is pretty useless against her in neutral. st.lk and st.mk stuff all versions of his sobat clean.
Why is balrog in the harder matchups? Elena wins that pretty easy because all his tools are easily countered by hers. Also why are all the grappler matchups in Elena’s favor? Other than cr.lp/cr.lk everything she does is a potential spd punish into a mixup.
I listed it as a 6-4.
I think balrog has an advantage in the neutral, he also has more damage from his rush punches, better offense, and better midrange normals. I listed it in being his favor because I personally struggle with the matchup, also I didn’t list it that high up it’s like 4.3-5.7 so pretty much close to 5-5. If you can react to dash punches and whiff punish, then it is in elena’s favor, if you can’t, then it’s in balrogs favor. Also if he’s mashing cr jab, like all balrogs do, if beats out her overheads.
For grapplers, you don’t need to go in with elena, just space stand medium punch and both heavy kicks in the mid range. stand lk also does a lot for you, especially if you buffer into light lynx tail. It is -7, but at max range (not even, like out of spd range pretty much) there isn’t much grapplers can do about it. also this is one the few times we can use stand heavy punch which is really good against grapplers who try to slowly approach by walking or try jumping, it clips them out of the air before they reach their peak. I think this match up is similar to vega vs grapplers, just play it the same. When you are in a deficit though, it becomes pretty hard, just bait out those ex greenhands,lariats, condorspires. So long as you have a meter lead you can play passively and you can also use U2 in this matchup without to many repercussions.
A defensive DJ will beat Elena, I think the match up is 5-5
What does being defense do for Dee Jay?
Against Balrog, his rush punches lose very easily to either cr.lk or sweep. You can just throw out cr.lk in neutral and you will low profile a balrogs rush punch every time. Same with sweep, in fact you’re so low to the ground that a mistimed sweep will still make a rush punch completely whiff if they try and whiff punish you. Only thing he can rely on in the matchups are his normals, and because of that, elena can turtle him pretty easily.
For grapplers, U2 is only viable against gief or non oiled Hakan. Hawk can whiff a condor spire and either ultra 1 you or spd you for free every time unless you cancel it. st.lk also loses to a lot of grappler pokes. buffering into lynx tail at an ideal range for a grappler makes lynx tail whiff in most situations as well.
I figured a general discussion thread would be the place to put this, but does anyone have any safe setups for U2, or do any even exist? I’ve only been doing it off of back throw and it’s not safe against members of the cast that can close the gap, barring cancelling the ultra early.
Check the combo thread, it’s not safe against 90% of the cast
Sorry to take away from the Elena thread, but if you would like to play vs my DJ, (on xbox live) you can add me @ fiftysixkslim
I’m on psn sorry. I doubt I’d get much from tossing my Elena around anyways.
Then the offer stands for anyone that has a different opinion of the match up. I think it’s 5-5 personally. I think you guys are playing people who haven’t gotten used to Elena’s hit-boxes and gimmicks.
Dunno if I really wanna fight someone with “dialup” in their name…
But yeah, I might fight you when I get off work. I do agree with you, though, the only reason anyone is getting wins with her is that people don’t know her options yet.
Boooo, the name dialupslim comes the mix of old school 56k modems and a new orleans rapper named “soulja-slim”.
It just sucks that people sleep on DJ after the tier list. In AE he was listed as mid tier, now he dropped? cmon son, you have to use different options now :-/