Capcom is probably gonna capcom and just fix the hurtboxes without touching anything else. If they do somehow do the right thing and release a balance patch I hope they fix her specials whiffing at the very least. of course her problems go deeper than that but it would be a start. I will maintain that if they do only fix the hurtboxes only(which is probable), she will be a potential bottom 3 character in the game
I’d keep her at bottom 10 but i don’t doubt if she loses the hurtbox and gets nothing in return she basically lost her only tool for most of her bad MU.
Just a question, has anyone put time into seeing what the max damage is off of a traded AA hk.dp? I can consistently get U1 off of a trade hk dp.
Dp trades into ultra ? What type of black magic is this? I know she can get an ex dp regular dp super and ex RH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyyElaKxCu0
Edit: Also I remember st.hp xx hk.rhino horn, U1 working on at least one character mid-screen, anyone ever make a list?
Nice vid! Look for Sprint’s post in the combo thread near the end. Also it’s st.hp xx mk rhino horn.
I know I was messing around with you. I posted the follow up i was able to get after a traded dp. I posted about it a while back but no one paid any attention.
I did, buddy.
I think as time progresses Elena will be considered upper mid tier. She’s probably top 20.
I vehemently disagree.
That’s cool I didn’t expect you to agree. Just stating my opinion.
definitely not. What reasoning do you have for thinking that she would be anything but low tier?
Her MU’S across the board are going to be good.
Like?
Shotos grapplers zoners
Shoto’s? Which? the only argument that could even be made against shoto’s would be Oni. Ryu and Ken can punish anything she throws out on block. Against grapplers shes 5 - 5 or worse, and depending on the zoner(i.e. sagat/juri/rose) it’s either in her favor or against. Actually, which zoner other than sim does she win against?
Elena cr. Jab is +2 please tell me how that gets punished or her -1 st. Lk . I know what you’re thinking but if you’re going to straw man everything it’s pointless. Yeah I know.
I meant her specials. c.mp is great against shotos, but in terms of Elena actually applying her high / low game, she cannot do it effectively against them at all. Ryu and Akuma can both punish LT and SS with sweep no matter how perfectly spaced, while Ken can do so with his DP. How exactly does Elena have an advantage in the shoto MU’s(once again I’m not too sure about Oni so I’ll leave him alone) when all she has to beat what they do is counter poke c.mp xx EX MS and the occasional slide/ex rhino horn?
I really just wanna hear your reasoning, because as far as I’ve seen in this thread and beyond the reasoning as to why she’s not a good character have been plentiful. Her faults have been broken down step by step and explained in detail, but I have yet to see that on the opposite side. The only argument is always just “shes good” “she’s top tier” “she’s mid tier” with no real explanation as to why they came to that conclusion. Sorry if I’m posting a little aggressive, but it’s annoying when the only counter to the explanation as to why she’s bad is just, “she’s good” and when pressed, little to no substance really comes from that statement. I actually would like a good discussion from the other side of the spectrum.
I’ve said this before but I don’t think Elena is going to be playing this safe chip game. While they can be made safer some Mu’s they’re never truly safe.
With that said what sets her apart are her normals and the ex RH and ultra 2. Whether it’s cr. Mp cr. Lp s. Hk b hk s. Lk or her overheads. Then there’s also slide. When she has meter she can pour out damage. I think hk Lynx Tail is FADC is going to be huge for her. She can also FADC the first hit of SS. Which is strange considering how everyone says how unsafe it is but no one mentions FADCing to make it safe. Then there’s the juggles the million different ways to combo in to ultra or super.
To me it seems weird to instantly right her off as bad because she has unsafe normals and specails. Especially when the tools she does have can handle a wide amount of situations.
I’ve said this before but I don’t think Elena is going to be playing this safe chip game. While they can be made safer some Mu’s they’re never truly safe.
With that said what sets her apart are her normals and the ex RH and ultra 2. Whether it’s cr. Mp cr. Lp s. Hk b hk s. Lk or her overheads. Then there’s also slide. When she has meter she can pour out damage. I think hk Lynx Tail is FADC is going to be huge for her. She can also FADC the first hit of SS. Which is strange considering how everyone says how unsafe it is but no one mentions FADCing to make it safe. Then there’s the juggles the million different ways to combo in to ultra or super.
To me it seems weird to instantly right her off as bad because she has unsafe normals and specails. Especially when the tools she does have can handle a wide amount of situations.