El Fuerte - SSF4 AE Updates, Videos, and Discussion Thread

Pilgrim_Pud · September 7, 2011, 7:24am

Exactly. Anytime an Ibuki exDPs you know they don’t know the match-up.

Ibuki vs Elf is just like all of Ibuki’s matches; 5/5

Munchi · September 7, 2011, 7:42am

once you get that knockdown…your advantage …its about 5-5 to me sorta … i dont have much of a hard time vs Ibuki yet. lol
@ IPeru
its cool man ,we gotta play after sbo for sure …just hit me up when you get the chance or add me … other than that good luck with training! is it going to be streamed?

KumaOso · September 7, 2011, 9:04am

Thanks for those links, Rey. These and other safe jumps are going to be part of my training.

HAV · September 7, 2011, 7:16pm

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Pilgrim_Pud · September 7, 2011, 8:05pm

Fei was way too scared for no real reason. He knocked you down and walked back on your wake-up. From that moment on you were going to win minus a calamity.

Also, WHERE’S THAT FORTH ROUND FAJITA?!?

protoman385 · September 7, 2011, 10:41pm

^ Dude, that matchup can burn in hell… I can’t stand it.

Pilgrim_Pud · September 7, 2011, 10:43pm

Fei is pain. Is there any point that we have an advantage?

protoman385 · September 7, 2011, 10:55pm

I would say no.
If you read a “random” rekka, you can ex run towards him for free RSF (Why didn’t I do this against a certain Fei player…) Absorb and punish.

That, and his DP always felt easily exploitable with tortilla punishes. Other than that…A standing Fei is bad news…

Edit: Insert knowledge that is obvious, but worth mentioning…Fei has a 5 frame dp.

So Razorshards’ backthrow, and guac safejump will work on him. Also of note, the 6 frame forward jump setup apparently is safe against 4 frame reversals without pusning buttons…so you could use that setup to bait as well.

ReyArt · September 8, 2011, 12:44am

Check out dawgtanian’s OS vs Fei Long! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hytAx337vhk

This is one of El Fuerte’s worst match up’s, not an obvious one, but when you play the best Fei Long players out there, you will soon realise that this one requires extra special attention.

El Fuerte truly excels when he scores a knock down on his opponent, he has many options and can apply pressure it different ways. However, Fei long’s specials all seem to either

Cause El Fuerte’s specials to whiff

Punish/Trade with El Fuerte’s normals

Move him completely out of danger/corner pressure

I decided that enough was enough and have begun to explore possible option selects.

The first in my series explores what to do once you land an RSF xx Slide.

This option select produces his Ultra Spark but it won’t work in every situation, however it does beat a lot, and for that reason should be considered.

This option select can actually be hit confirmed if you delay your input slightly, so you can actually wait to see which reversal fei long has gone for and punish accordingly.

If they use a reversal that moves him too far away, eg. EX Chicken Wing, then the option select can be altered to a forwards run, which can then be used to RSF, or slide, or possibly cancel into Ultra. (Need to test timing).

There is one way for Fei Long to escape this option select, but I think we can all agree that by limiting Fei Long to one option is something we can all deal with in comparison to dealing with his 10 other wake up options!

Pilgrim_Pud · September 8, 2011, 3:32am

So it’s just after a run slide whiff a throw the do shower kick and ultra or jab accordingly? Doesn’t this lose to wake-up throw?

Dawgtanian · September 8, 2011, 10:51am

Go into training mode and figure it out, best not tell Fei Long players how to get out of it

PS. New videos coming very soon.

Densuo · September 9, 2011, 8:48pm

Normals videos are done, fear my terrible execution

ugh I have a bunch of notations to make as despite me rolling a script I still made a crap load of errors ~_~

ReyArt · September 10, 2011, 5:22am

SSF4: AE El Fuerte 4-Hits 3 FP Into EX Quesadilla Bomb Combo - j.FP xx RSF (x2) xx EX QBomb (402 dmg & 680 stun)

Pilgrim_Pud · September 10, 2011, 8:52am

A few things.

far forward does have it’s uses. It’s run cancel-ability makes it a great frame trap. On counter hit it combos to slide and it’s self(it might combo into fierce but it’s been a long time since I labbed it up). The rep before RSF will drop you can throw it out and use the “WTF was that” reaction it get back in for more pressure.
Dropkick beats all of Honda’s headbutts, clean. That’s very important to know.

Densuo · September 10, 2011, 10:09am

I’ll be sure to add this into the annotations. Thanks dude

RustyShacklefurd · September 10, 2011, 11:07am

Good stuff, also forget to mention on cl.mp counter hits you can link into an RSF (beyond one I’m not sure, I suck) into Run > Calamari. It’s a simple quick combo for 258 damage. Keep up the good work!

ReyArt · September 10, 2011, 11:46am

cl.RH xx Super (in the corner) can be tricky because there’s different timings depending on the char; usually try and delay Super until they’ve fallen about head/eye level to get the full Super animation/hits.

spikerazorshards · September 10, 2011, 4:31pm

knee launcher, wait, then HK super. That’s how you do it in the corner.

Densuo · September 10, 2011, 4:49pm

Yeah. I’m gonna put an annotation for that in the corner. You can also close HK wait a bit HK super when not in the corner.

Just a few minor details to go over.

jchan · September 11, 2011, 10:13am

very nice man, you forgot to mention that neutral jump hk is really good at stuffing ppl air to air.