El Fuerte Matchups and Strategies v.2 ***Updated 02APR10***

[IIPeru]

Something I’ve just started working into my game. One of the other Fuerte users in my area is really good with his Quesadilla bomb, so that’s what I’m trying to work on currently. That guy just seems to pull it out as though it’s any other standard input move.

I’ve worked out you can time Q-bomb using jumping for those of us who don’t have the concentration to check the clock. 3 jumps for level 1, 5 jumps for level 2, 7 jumps for level 3.
I remember someone posted that before, but I’d clean forgotten until recently.

As for setups, charge any K right as you hit HP for Fajita or Tortilla, and you should have a level 2 Q-bomb ready just as the opponent is getting up from it. If you try to do it meaty though, you’ll get a level 1 instead.

If you hold K when performing throw, air throw or Guac, you get a level 1 Q-bomb charge as the opponent is rising. After that, it’s only another knockdown or a bit of baiting to get the charge to level 2. You also get a level 1 charge at the end of a full taunt if you hold HK when activating the taunt.

I’m finding with Q-bomb, you have to think about starting the charge while you’re doing other moves, not as its own thing.

That move should be used 1 every 5 matches at best, its soo bad and sooooo punishable I hope they do change it to a qc move or reduce the charge time and make it kinda like boxers headbut where the strength depends on the button you hold.

[Densuo]

I like using Q-Bomb. But I think it’s best used once a round or even a set. It’s good for hurricane kick spammers.

[akashwan]

I like using Q-Bomb. But I think it’s best used once a round or even a set. It’s good for hurricane kick spammers.

I also find it useful against people who overuse FA and backdashes, it has a good range so even if FA was dash canceled it will catch them. Its extremely unsafe though so that limits its use against really good players unfortunately

[Densuo]

I wonder if this would be an idea

Opponent was Tortilla’d, (you’re holding a kick while the tortilla executes) forward dash x 3 run back xx sudden stop -> Q-Bomb

Q-Bomb actually has real good block stun…which is counter acted by its WORSE recovery on block… which is where FADC comes in for block string / tick throw. It’s FADC window feels kinda big too.

[BlueBlazer]

I was just doing some training against Bison, and I found out about this, I am not sure if this is already well known or not, but I hope it helps: (I posted this in the “Dash” thread but I thought it might be better to have it in the official matchup thread)), its regarding Bison’s EX headstomp:

"If you do psychic EX guac (meaning right before he does EX headstomp or almost at the same time) then he will win. However, if you do it after he does, you will either escape through it or even catch him if you do the timing well. Try it in training, I just did and I caught EX headstomp with EX guac several times cleanly without a trade.

Something on that note, if you want an easier way to beat EX headstomp without even wasting EX meter, just jump and hk! If you jump in place (without right or left direction) Fuerte’s hk in air (aka his ass) beats all headstomps (EX and none) cleanly. If you do it a bit late you might trade however. "

That is the most helpful thing ever. I just faced a Dictator who was headstomp happy and jumping rh stuffed him to death.

[akashwan]

That is the most helpful thing ever. I just faced a Dictator who was headstomp happy and jumping rh stuffed him to death.

Glad that helped its effective AND insulting as well

@Densou: I do that sometimes with Q-bomb. when you run back after 3 dashes, a lot of people assume you will do safe tortilla, and would react with back/front dash, and either way Q-bomb gets them. But I think Q-Bomb’s major problem is that it relies too much on assumptions, and one wrong assumption leads to the end mostly

Still, I think its worth experimenting with Q-Bomb a bit. Maybe i am being too optimistic, but I think it can add an extra dimension to the mix-up game if used wisely.

[FuriousJodo]

Yeah, jumping RH beating headstomp is actually VERY useful. I will have to incorporate that - I have had a lot of problems getting out of corner/headstomp pressure from Bison.

[mtler]

I came into this thread looking for a reliable backdash punish, and from what I’ve read in the first post, it seems like fake tortilla (run back, stop, jump forward + fierce) seems to be the best one. Is backdash recovery for characters like Ryu so long that the j. fierce will actually hit? That’s crazy. This will really up my game.

I air grab people who are backdash crazy… run back, stop, jump air grab them outta the backdash

[Densuo]

Glad that helped its effective AND insulting as well

@Densou: I do that sometimes with Q-bomb. when you run back after 3 dashes, a lot of people assume you will do safe tortilla, and would react with back/front dash, and either way Q-bomb gets them. But I think Q-Bomb’s major problem is that it relies too much on assumptions, and one wrong assumption leads to the end mostly

Still, I think its worth experimenting with Q-Bomb a bit. Maybe i am being too optimistic, but I think it can add an extra dimension to the mix-up game if used wisely.

Yeah Q-Bomb requires thought behind it. You can’t throw it out there randomly. It would be an awesome REACTION move if it didn’t have such atrocious start time

[FuriousJodo]

Q-Bomb would be a lot more useful if it was a command move or something, having to remove throw/focus/slide is just too high a price for a move that requires that much time to charge. Heck, if it was a charge move (Hold back and then forward + punch or something) I’d probably use it way more.

[mtler]

Also just a quick note on Honda. I have had success with run stop neutral jump and on the way down air-grabbing the torpedo they did because they saw you running at them.

Someone else put into practice?

[FuriousJodo]

Yeah that works, though I don’t think higher level hondas will do a headbutt that isn’t EX in most situations.

[Densuo]

Q-Bomb would be a lot more useful if it was a command move or something, having to remove throw/focus/slide is just too high a price for a move that requires that much time to charge. Heck, if it was a charge move (Hold back and then forward + punch or something) I’d probably use it way more.

Hell no. making it a Back -> forward charge would Limit Q-Bomb to a turtling move. and would still be useless due to start up. It would need priorityor some invinicbility overhuals to do anything worthwhile with it. either short the button charge (Blarog’s Turn punch style) or maybe a qcf.

Here’s the first official Homework assignment:

Also, I’ve surprisingly been using Gordita Sobat more in my matches. Although it’s crap damage and I never use the super cancel because I never have a full super bar, but…

• It’s good for footsies. It’s got just a bit more range than most sweeps, and even outranges a lot of Chun Li’s pokes.(I started doing more sobats after fighting a good Chun)

• It’s a good quick move to fill that irritating range just outside where standing MP can reach.

• Just run and sobat immediately, and you’ve got a move that closes distance fast, and is safer than slide. It’s range is deceiving.

• Because it’s just that little bit faster, it hits people who are trying to react to a splash/slide.

• Safer against people who react to Tortilla and Tostada with jump back HP/HK. I’m getting a lot of those lately because a simple jump back HP/HK on reaction shuts down a lot of my options.

• Sobat is a less high risk option to close distance on turtlers, hit box extends further than f+MK.

• On max range hit, frame advantage lets you back run into your next guessing game, perfect distance that back run tortilla will beat almost all footsie/fireball attempts.

• On close range hit, links to standing LK, then cancel into run.

• However, random or on-reaction focus attacks will stuff you up. Gordita sobat should be used very sparingly if you want to try it out.

I now usually do a sobat about once or twice a match, usually after I’ve done some Tortillas to discourage focus attacks but have trouble getting in with my other moves.

try this out lets get some feedback and see where it takes us

[FuriousJodo]

I’ve actually been using Sobat a lot more as well. I’ve also been finishing rounds with Sobat to Super lately ,but only if I know it will kill them.

[Paper]

I’ve actually been using Sobat a lot more as well. I’ve also been finishing rounds with Sobat to Super lately ,but only if I know it will kill them.

And when you hope to god they wont do a DP?

[Densuo]

fucking DPs.

I don’t think sobat is a good idea to go into super with… Unless it’s from coming out of rsf. I find it handy for going through a fireball with ex run only since it’s faster and safer then slide, tostada, fajita.

I dunno. There HAS to be a use for it. I think I’ll be doing some testing in training mode.

I’m liking clHK xx run xx tostada press. Corpse hop’em right after and steal their charge twice. :bgrin:

[El_Twelve]

Another retarded trick from me. Meaty close standing MK will make Zangief whiff his wakeup Ultra.:bgrin:

Does not work with Gordita Sobat unfortunately.

[FuriousJodo]

I should mention it’s only when I have a substantial lifelead too. :o

[IIPeru]

I should mention it’s only when I have a substantial lifelead too. :o

I think sobat is useful it punishes people who try and jump away everytime you run at them.

[Densuo]

Another retarded trick from me. Meaty close standing MK will make Zangief whiff his wakeup Ultra.:bgrin:

Does not work with Gordita Sobat unfortunately.

Vids or it didnt happen