El Fuerte General Discussion Thread

[n0thingman]

thanks alot skisonic! awesome math. i have a pretty hard time pulling the loop off still, maybe i’ll just settle for 2 fierces and a slide.

where you tested gief, dic, and ryu, that was rsf loop on them crouching right? just to make sure

kind of sucks that it hardly works on crouching… in 3s, you want you opponent to be crouching, more damage!
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[shubacca]

ski, thank you. I’ve been using Lvl 3 FA after dizzies to start RSF… I won’t anymore.

I’ve been playing people who are mashing out ultra inbetween my failed fierces. I’ve seen the guy next to me wildly mash ultra while he is getting RSF’d and the moment one of my links are off… boom…half my life gone with one move. More people are catching on to the ridiculously easy reversal inputting. But having said that it does add a new dimesion to it all if you try to bait something after a few fierces.

[_hAoLIn]

Shitload of useful information

Muchos gracias for the contribution. Would’ve never thought that a focus would hurt RSF so much.

Also, his glitches are pretty wtf. I found Fuerte going straight through another Fuerte after Cl.hp xx run xx slide.

[skisonic]

I forgot one thing that’s sort of important.

For me, it seems much,much easier to RSF an opponent after a focus crumple.
This is probably by design, but it could just be my imagination. I’m working on a test for this so I can have some concrete info eventually, but it seems like that may just be a sacrifice you have to make for an easier punch loop.

Just a theory on that one for now.

n0thingman: yep, tested vs gief dic guile ryu crouching. The only one where it felt like it’s possible to get more than a few was gief. And yea, in sf4 I thought crouching would be bad like in 3s, but at least vs fuerte seems like that totally isn’t the case. Bright side of that is, Fuerte’s focus attack is GREAT vs crouchers/crouching attacks/crouching hitboxes. So at least there’s that.

Shubacca: once you get the hang of RSF, you can often tell when your next fierce is about to whiff. That was a big problem for me on the night where I feel like I crossed over to actually being comfortable with it. Also run stop nothing is pretty safe anyway, if you smell a reversal toss it in and if you see them blocking throw em real fast if you can. Don’t be afraid to reset it, especially if you fee like you aren’t going to connect the next fierce. IMO the resets are really in your favor, so mixing it up is cool.

Shaolin: Ive seen that cl.hp xx slide go through Ryu and Claw as well. I tried to replicate it a few times but it seems like it’s just one of those actual bugs that you’ll see sometimes but wont really affect things.

[Gentleman_Pugilist]

His personality and frantic movement seem way out of sync with the Street Fighter style. It’s taking me a while to get used to his inclusion.

[boom]

whats a good strategy for turtlers like blanka and guile. blanka has been the most annoying to me. that and scrubby ken spammin srks

[Vigilante8]

whats a good strategy for turtlers like blanka and guile. blanka has been the most annoying to me. that and scrubby ken spammin srks

Check the match up thread.

Anyone experience the random phasing with f+mk?
Vs kens f+mk you you threw each other. same with vegas d+hk sweep.

[boom]

^thanx man.

here’s some el fuerte ownage
http://zoome.jp/nsb/diary/107/

[Azuro]

Jesus Christ @ the Ryu match at the end…Elf had him locked up in the corner and just proceeded to rape… o_O

[First_To_5_Wins]

Welp, finally started tooling around in console training mode, seeing if theres anything to figure out. I haven’t heard this mentioned yet but it explains a LOT.

Focus crumple followups scales as TWO (2) hits.* That’s exactly the reason I’ve found it hard to stun sometimes after a crumple, when thinking I should’ve already gotten it.

Side note, Stun point accumulation is NOT affected by Guts, only damage is scaled by guts. So that makes the math simple.

So basically seems like my RSF math was mostly correct. Here’s a repost :

(1)1000-200 = 800 (fierce (90), focus((60/100)(80/150)(140/200)))
(1000-90= 910)
(2)800-200 = 600 (910-0= 820)
(3)600-200(.8) = 440 (820-(90*.8)= 748)
(4)440-([(200(.7)])=300 (748-(90*.7)= 685)
(5)300-([(200(.6)])= 180 (685-(90*.6)= 631)
(6)180-([(200(.5)])= 80 (631-(90*.5)= 586
(7)80-([(200(.4)])= 0 (slide) (586-(150*.4)= 526)
**(8)#small–([(200(.3)](.95)]

• On a character in Ryu’s stun class or under, 7 fierces will stun, or 6 run fierces and a slide.

Mind you, the focus attack scales you for 2 hits. Level 3 focus does damage equivalent to a s.FP so its sort of like you get 1 fierce punch for the price of two :tdown:. It seems like a little change, but it basically makes it impossible to stun off the combo alone off a level 3 focus. Math goes something like :
total stun: stun next move takes
1000 (200) focus
800 (160) dai
640 (140)
500 (120)
380 (100)
280 (80)
200 (60)
140 (40) - Reset Tortilla will stun
100 (20) - Reset Tostada still spin
80
60
…

As you can see. Even 10 fierces and a slide wont stun after a focus crumple. :bluu:
The magic numbers are 6 and 7 fierces, at that point you can cancel run into the quickest reset possible.
At 5 or 6 fierces, you can slide and go for okizeme.
After a level 3 focus, just 2 fierces and a slide is 50% stun! :tup:

Bear in mind that even though the difference between a few chars is only a couple hundred points vitality points, as you can see just small changes to the numbers can have a huge impact. I urge to you check it out for yourself, and develop strategies against your problem chars.

Other notes:

For me, it seems much,much easier to RSF an opponent after a focus crumple.
This is probably by design, but it could just be my imagination. I’m working on a test for this so I can have some concrete info eventually, but it seems like that may just be a sacrifice you have to make for an easier punch loop.

I was wondering if they fixed the glitch where f+mk could be blocked standing while holding forward that gilley showed. They didnt. But what’s odd is that it doesn’t affect every character the same. I tested vs Guile and yes holding forward blocks that senton everytime, but if you have Ryu hold forward and walk at fuerte, the f+mk goes through him everytime.
Weird.

For some reason, this combo seems much harder vs crouching chars. I don’t have all the chars unlocked so I’m not gonna bother testing half the cast, but I tested quickly vs crouching Dic, Gief, Guile and Ryu.
Gief - Combo is almost no change from normal, but it feels harder to chain more than 4 fierces.
Bison - Combo feels much harder. I can’t get more than 3 fierces.
Guile - Combo seemingly must be performed faster. Since it must be performed faster, it seems impossible to get more than 2 fierces, and this is difficult.
Ryu - Combo feels impossible. I cannot get more than ONE fierce.

I posted before about the BS Ken stun reel animation, where for a minute I thought RSF wasn’t even possible on Ken standing because of the way he crouches down when getting hit (was wrong). It is possible, but it is noticeably harder than comboing from a focus crumple.
Ryu’s crouching hit animation is similar bs, for some reason he feels the need to really sell the hit or something? He reels backwards really far and almost falls to the ground, so my 2nd fierce whiffed every single time.

Similarly, I couldn’t link an s.jab after gordita sobat on crouching ryu, which is not very hard vs standing ryu.

*Counter hits do more damage. That’s probably why a focus is scaled as 2 hits, for the crumple it will most likely be a counter hit, so giving the focus an extra buff probably seemed like a bad idea. With that taken in mind, counter hit lvl2 focus does 188 stun. C.hit lvl1 does 125. Chit level 3 does 250. Im not gonna do that math though.

Excellent post. This should be on every page***!***

[System_1]

This might sound like a dumb question…but how do i grab off of a wall jump?

[GETBUZZIN]

i just started playing him. hes a good run away character. get some hits then wall jump away to the other side. his run is somewhat useless against characters that can dp though i did bait some newbies with run move, then quickly press jab to stop, then throw, this works good when the oppenent is tryin to do a wake up special like kens dp. you can stop the run with jab, do standing hk ex special throw. hes pretty fun to play casually but for tournment i’d say no.

[Arde5643]

This might sound like a dumb question…but how do i grab off of a wall jump?

Holds Fierce after doing the wall-jump, easiest way is to hold fierce as you press forward to do the wall-jump.

You’ll see Fuerte’s animation changes as soon as you do that.

[UnMaYiMbE]

Now I MUST get this taunt… damn hadouken spammers.

Also, if anybody wants to play against my El Fuerte, feel free to add my on xbox 360. I have only had one match against another El Fuerte and even I don’t know what the hell is going on.

Edit: I got the taunt and tried it out… it’s a slooow taunt to duck under fireballs.

i’m the guy that just finished playing you (proof185) , good el fuerte man , and good games

[Shizuma_15]

This might sound like a dumb question…but how do i grab off of a wall jump?

like you want a regular grab in the air? if so then just :lp:+:lk: but if you want the fajita buster then you press :hp: after the wall jump.

[Stevercakes]

i’m the guy that just finished playing you (proof185) , good el fuerte man , and good games

Yeah for sure man, good games. It’s fun playing against other El Fuerte’s even though I don’t even know what the hell is going on half of the time during the match.

[shubacca]

IMO the resets are really in your favor, so mixing it up is cool.

Sounds simple…but I now realize how really important this is.

[System_1]

Do you think they will nerf El furete because of that inf he got? I hope they don’t, I jsut want some more options for my mix up game. Also, does Furete own any characters, or can keep it with that said to be character?

Edit: also has anyone tried doing chill pepper inf(RSF) without using the LV.3 Foucs attack?

[Arde5643]

Do you they will nerf El furete because of that inf he got? I hope they don’t, I jsut want some more options for my mix up game. Also, does Furete own any characters, or can keep it with that said to be character?

Edit: also has anyone tried doing chill pepper inf(RSF) without using the LV.3 Foucs attack?

If anything, Fuerte needs a buff for his damage output - it’s too low right now especially for someone with such a low health.

[Stevercakes]

I doubt they’ll nerf the loop. C’mon, they show you that it’s possible in the hard challenge mode thing and i’m finding it’s taking a LOT of practice to get down.