Yeah.
Thinking outside the box? More like not thinking.
Yeah, it is a bit disappointing but Dudley players should use it more. I think they get discouraged from using it and then never use it. At least that happened to me.
What I found is that it introduces some mixup to your game and the timing has to be spot on.
I am still in the camp of not using it much because I would rather do other things that are higher risk, but also higher reward. In some situations it is absolutely amazing though (against Wiper).
Actually all your frame data means nothing because new meaty SSB is +4 on hit and 0 on block. Most backdashes take 25+ frames so you can actually OS U1 since LP SSB recovers in 20. Also, A LOT of people wake up throw/tech once you’ve thrown them a few times. They won’t block every single time. But like I said its cool.
Just trying to see how you guys think. It’s interesting to me that I introduce something and you all straight up you’re uppity on:
-unheard of!
-eempaw sable!!
-guttah trayash!
BEFORE testing, and then you test my theory intending to disprove it. A couple of things wrong with this:
-I’m assuming you didn’t throw the button in endless mode to ACTUALLY SEE how someone would react.
-i figure you didn’t stay up all night finding a frame tight meaty setup. In the Makoto Forum this is something we do with some regularity.
-OH SHIT you have 2012 to test already man ma bad lemme go download it so I can test too oh no it’s not there then what were you testing
Anyway. I’m done with it. When 2012 drops I’ll check it out. Just interesting how you guys form a collective opinion and the update isn’t even out yet. So you have no idea how it functions. It’s also interesting that, besides myself, there’s not even a HINT of a positive thought. Closed mind. So even if it does have a good application or two you’re so blind that you won’t even try it out. To each his own.
It’s a bad idea dude.
First of all dude, it’s very easy to test. You use short backswing blow which in AE is +2 on hit and -2 on block. That way when I do it at least 2-frames meaty I get +4 which means I can link st.roundhouse and it’s 0 on block. Sounds familiar doesn’t it? You know what I did after that? Did a recording of it and then saw what happened. I’ll even tell you the set up. Double dash, crouch forward, meaty short Back swingblow > st. roundhouse. I took me like 5 mins to set it up and check. I’m telling you what happened. First of all, if they stick anything out, they get counter-hit which means you’re not following up with st. roundhouse because they pop in the air. Second of all, it gets beat by invincible reversals. Third of all, as I said earlier, I don’t have to block a meaty 50/50, I just have to block. I don’t know what else to say about it. Do it yourself and show me something that I didn’t find then instead of bitching about how we are being uppity about something.
Finally, wake-up throw is such a shitty option in this game. Who the hell seriously does this?
You don’t get hit by meaty SSB. If you do, you have terrible reactions or you’re an online masher (you sound like the latter). There. I have explained why it’s useless, end of story. Stop whining because your idea is bad, did you seriously think we hadn’t considered meaty SSB, you know, being Dudley mains?****
Here is the short version of it: You do NOT get hit by meaty SSB, ever.
lol a dudley player accusing me of whining in a dudley changes forum. There’s comedy for you. Online masher? Hardly. I main Makoto, dude. So there is no mashing. There’s calculation and precise execution. Lol why are you guys raging so hard over this? If you think its such a bad idea, leave it alone you dont need to show me your cockandballs and tell me how good of a player you are, cause it doesn’t matter to me. Its theory fighter guys lighten up.
Until I test it in AE 2012 and find out for myself how bad of an idea this is I will not be satisfied. But as a new dudley player i am going to look at all options, good and bad. I am going to test everything myself. and if it doesn’ t work, then fine. Chill out, shit.
Guess I should’ve just stayed in st/dd/34s thread lol.
You did not reply to my post, you simply ignored all of our points again. Well done, I’m perfectly chilled, I added the bold text as you don’t seem to be able to read anything that isn’t written by you.
Well you all are saying the same thing right? Theres a general concensus:
rage rage rage SSB sucks rage rage rage
lol I"m not going to put 6 posts in and reply to that. I can barely argue dudley because like I said I’m just learning him.
Also I’m on my iphone and its extremely tedious to actually reply. Much faster to just type.
SSB doesn’t suck at all, your use for it sucks. It’s not good as a meaty as the opponent can see it coming and choose not to press anything or beat it with an invincible reversal. You also lose all your pressure on block, even if meaty. We are all saying the same thing because we are right. :s It’s not like I was rude to you when you first presented the idea, it’s just that you have completely ignored everything we have said and then started accusing us of raging.
Instead of completely going off topic, actually discuss the points or just don’t post. No need to be dramatic about it, you were wrong, get over it. Try whatever you want, just don’t try to convince other Dudleys to do something that is bad because the whole point of this sub-forum is to level up our game. Unless you can actually explain why meaty SSB is good (reply to our points, we have said why it is bad) then just stop posting here, it’s really that easy.
well I can’t really explain why it would be good. It was just a thought. Go back and look at my first post. Just simply asking a question. and all I got was:
etc. etc. etc.
lol you got to remember, man, i’m new to this. I dont’ know what you’re talking about. You guys talk about the negatives of SSB like i’m Marn or something. I had an idea. Yeah it might be stupid, yeah i might be way off base but instead of saying that, it would’ve been better to explain a little insead of saying “that’s just stupid” cause I dont’ know why it is stupid.
While I do really appreciate the testing that Darkyellow did as well as the subsequent explanation, I still contend that it can’t really be tested until 2012 comes out. And if you guys are saying its that bad then that’s ok. Again, to each his own. I’m just trying to learn… and contribute… as much as I can. So if I have an idea, no matter how crazy it seems, I will present it. That’s just me.
Helluvaway to introduce myself lol. But I’ll keep learning nonetheless. Even though it wasn’t exactly what I was looking for, thanks for the input anyway guys.
I did explain it, you just either completely ignored it or don’t understand it. Instead of asking, you asked us if we had tried AE 2012 even though that’s completely irrelevant to the point which is: Why would you get hit by meaty SSB?
I find it funny how you say “all I got was” when you quoted people that weren’t me and completely ignored my posts…
look man, i’m not ignoring your posts. I read them several times. I see that you’re trying to get your point across. I got it. But I was only talking about initially in those quotes. This was before you posted. regarding your first post, you simply gave me an idea back without providing any proof. It was theory, and as far as i was concerned, it was no more important then mine. When people started explaining things I started to understand, which is cool. I just wish i could’ve got that in the beginning.
I do appreaciate you and others whose responses went deeper into it than “thats stupid.” Again, Thanks.
You wanted someone to test an idea which every single Dudley player knows won’t work, because we know our character and with a little reading and some basic SF4 knowledge you could also reach this conclusion too. We told you it was a bad idea, instead of trusting us you dragged it on way longer than it had to and we still came to the same conclusion, it’s bad. Besides, you could have tried it yourself because as I said, the AE 2012 changes will not change anything in terms of using SSB on someones wake-up, but you seem to want to mention the fact that we haven’t played AE 2012 in your posts.
Also, what proof do you need that a good player would block on wake-up if you see Dudley swinging back? There is literally no reason to press anything unless it’s an invincible reversal, not even throw, you’re not being mixed up so you can just down-back. The character isn’t even near you, you wouldn’t throw. If you want to throw on wake-up, you do a slightly delayed crouch tech. This way you can block a meaty and still tech a throw if the opponent chooses to throw instead of meaty. Explain how I could prove it to you because I can’t do any better than what I have already said.
Please explain how this can’t be tested until AE 2012 is released. The hitbox changes are irrelevant as you’re doing a meaty and the frame advantage doesn’t matter as you wouldn’t be able to get the hit in the first place, even if you something think you could, just try it as a meaty in the training room for the same effect which would be linking it to st. HK. You did not even attempt to start a discussion, as soon as people started explaining it in detail you started your rage session based on us not having AE 2012 and then accusing us of being uppity.
Most importantly, when doing meaty SSB you’re not doing any mixups whatsoever which is what Dudley is all about. Not only are you not doing any mixups, you also can’t apply any real pressure once SSB is blocked. That’s why it’s a very bad idea. I don’t mind discussing this in greater detail as I’m very curious about why you think this is a good idea, but just don’t reply with tales of you staying up all night looking for air tight meaties or other irrelevant stuff as I really, really don’t care.
Dude give it a rest. You’re acting like I aimed all of my posts at you. Again, I understand your point. You are repeating what you and everyone else has already said. Point is, I brought up an idea. It was marked as impractical. Explaination is there. And I understand. There’s little, if nothing else to talk about concerning the subject of meay SSB. At this point you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. Per your suggestion, I won’t be back to bother you guys with my thoughts.
Again, THANKS for your input, and have a good day.
Just don’t act like you’re some sort of misunderstood genius just because your idea was immediately shot down by people who needed all but a few seconds to deduce it was terrible.
We need someone to save us from our collective freeness and bickering. Don’t worry gaiz, I got the signal.
Thirtyfour, WHERE AREEEE YOU??!?!
Serious question: Does anyone know how the new U1 has looked in playtests? I haven’t been up to date with the footage. Feel free to blow me up if this is readily available on the board.
/out before next Dudley civil war
you’ll understand it’s true beauty when you hit 3.0 