Of course it’s unsafe, it’s basically like a Ryu cr.sweep (not frame wise, just throw it out there when it’s not great but pretty decent move), except since you can combo after it, you can combo it. So in reward for not being able to do anything but get a untechable knockdown, with Dudley, you get a combo and a mix up =].
^ Well that is true!
Which match-ups are giving you the most trouble with Dudley at the moment? Is there any character that you feel Dudley just flat out cannot beat?
I like to throw out the cr.rh against characters with really good walk speeds and like to walk back. Once it’s out there if forces them into block animation so they aren’t walking back anymore and will get caught by the cr.rh.
There are 2 characters I absolutely do not like… Claw, and T.Hawk. Other than that, every match is playable.
I knew it wasn’t just me. I pick Rog for that one.
How do you deal with Honda?
s.fierce his headbutts, when he starts walking forward, j.rh so he cant headbutt you, maximize your opportunities and you should be golden. s.fierce against honda is your best friend.
rog is not hard as people make it out to be, focus his dash punches, and when he starts catching on neutral jump rh his focus break dash punches. once you get on top of him it’s a guess on headbutts / ex rush punches / etc.
again, a lot of people misjudge the way I play Dudley and how I play Dudley… And I only have 2 words to describe how I play dudley. Instinct / Overwhelm (with all my characters). I’ll let you guys figure it out from there =].
cr. MK is good but it feels like I have to guess when they’ll throw something out to counter poke because the start up on it is meh.
I wish cr. LK hit a little further out. The hit box is smaller than the glove.
Overwhelm is the only way to play Dudley. You can’t let your opponent adjust to the match, you have to suffocate him.
don’t you guys ever use EX short swing blow and Heavy swing blow to beat out sweeps? that usually works if you space it right and EX short swing makes it to where you can just use it on reaction to poking/sweeping but the heavy short swing you have to know when your opponent will throw out a poke to keep you out. and if you counter hit it doesn’t heavy swing knock them down? not sure
The problem is that if you whiff you look like a dumbass and eat a sweep anyway. Or if they block and punish you and you look like a dumbass.
Because it’s slow and you’d have to do it anticipating sweep, not reacting to sweep.
Just pretend Dudley doesn’t have short swing blow, and thunderbolt, for that matter.
Short Swing Blow is so bad.
It’s slow, too slow to punish whiff normal grabs.
On counter hit, it sends the opponent airborne. It’s not even a free juggle, you have to hit them with like HP/EX Jet Upper or u2. Whoever thought this was good idea needs to be hit in the head with a blunt object.
It’s not safe on block. Rufus’s Galatic Tornado is 0 on block for all versions but this terrible move can’t be?
I’ve seen Liquid SRK do SSB after knockdown. I think he was timing his meaty or building meter though.
Got some newbish questions
In the air, when isit appropriate to use either of Dudley’s various moves? So like in what situation should HP be used over HK in the air? etc
Also, when doing f.HK to an opponent when they’re waking up, isn’t it abit risky? What if they for example wake up with a Shoryuken or something?
Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else or something…
Thunderbolt is great if someone is being an asshole and walk up cr.mk’ing you in the corner. Guarantee they won’t block it.
Not true at ALL
SSB can be used vs baited DPs all without good horizontal range ( RYU’s DP Ken’s, low and MP, Ibuki’s… Fei’s)
LP is about 30 chip damage and safe on block ( -2 same as lp mgb)
MP is good for beating any grab (not counting command)
HP does a little over 200 on counter hit has enough range to counter most DPs
They all do 200 Stun. Come on now.
Go to training mode and test SSB ( non EX vs reversals)
You’d be surprised how good the move is.
(lol well spaced ssb vs jab mashing = gold)
This is the place where you ask these kinds of questions.
In the air Dudley’s Kicks and PUnches have basically TWO uses.
Punches have the best range and deal more damage than the kicks.
Kicks hitboxes stay out longer than the punches and can lead to counter hits and trades.
Really situational you’ll have to test them out in training mode.
Meaty f.HK is pretty safe, if timed right.
Frame data says its active on the last 4 frames of the move so all you have to do is time the meaty so it’ hits on the last 3 frames or so.
what TC’s/special moves would you say are nearly close to useless and should be discarded from his gameplan?
I also notice you dont use kidney blow too much and use cr lp and cr lk more to start the hk-ex mgb bnb combo. Why not use kidney blow?
final shit-how good/tourney viable do you think dudley really is and would you say hes a gimmicky character kind of like blanka and ibuki?
In training mode sure. Actually applying in a match, you’re better off baiting DPs the old fashion way.
I’m not marn so I can’t speak for him but you are asking questions that I’ve asked myself when learning dudley as well.
The target combos play roles, but i think those roles are relegated to extremely conservative play against command grab characters like gief and thawk, OR within complicated normal combos (i.e. f mk, target combo, lp, hk etc)
Personally i think kidney blow is pretty good. only problem is that it takes so many frames to come out.
cr lp and cr lk give frame advantage as well, so aside from the forward movement that kidney blow gives you,they are just as good.
That said, in a footsie battle or when u are trying to get off on someone, its much easier to connect with the light attacks as they come out in 3 or 4 frames respectively.
However for the oki game, why even bother? You are gonna land meaty whatever move you choose, f+hk or cr lk. the overhead and the low attack force your opponent to guess. kidney blow doesn’t.
I only use SSB against moves that are hard to tag by normal means. Such as cr.mks. Even saying that i don’t do it much unless they’re spamming cr.mk.