i was until the the play of bisons drastically improved
I wouldnt talk about my MU xp if i was from psn either.
Dud vs bison is 4:6
ouch
Bison vs. Dudley is a 6-4 matchup straight up. I will go ahead and say that Vega vs. Dudley is a 6-4 or 7-3. Vega is so cheap it’s so unbelievable. But I’ll stay 6-4 because you can punish Vega hard just like Chun Li. Bison is annoying but in the AE, his st.hk does 80 damage now like E.Honda’s j.hp. That’s a huge nerf for both characters. PLUS, I heard Bison scizzor’s kick pushes you back more so that move can’t really lock down Dudley since Dudley can just back away with ease and make Bison do the chasing game. I never chase Bison, I let him chase me. But you know, don’t listen to me I ain’t even good. The only matchup I really hate that you guys might bash on me for is Abel. He’s a total cheap character, and Chun Li…
but they’re both getting nerf in AE, so Dudley has a better chance at standing up to them. Dudley still needs something to get in much easier… I still can’t believe these canges to Dudley still haven’t improve how Dudley can get in a little easier. One of the best characters in 3rd Strike is one of the worst characters in SSF4 just because it’s hard to get in on some of the of the cast… fml fml fml. Happy New Years to you all, gentlemen.
what kind of talk is that MeLLoW? He is certainly not one of the “worst” in SSFIV, he’s mid teir at least and that makes him tourney viable. He is certainly no Hakan, Dan, Guy, Gen and alot of his matchups are 5-5 or 6-4 across the board. The ONLY one i’d say that may be a 7-3 is Sim, but thats it. We’ll be just fine, we may just have to work a little harder than others, but we can still do it. i ain’t given up, thats for sure!
you ever think i might just be in denial? =P
I might be in the minority here, but I don’t think that Dudley should have an easy time getting in. Granted, I think its a bit too hard against some characters, but that is Dudley’s whole design. He does so much damage off of landing just about any normal or command normal. If you can bait and punish, you can get into 400+ damage combos without ultra, etc. If he could just waltz in on all of these problem characters, it would take all of the challenge out of the character. I do think Dudley is flawed in this game, but I also think a lot of people seem to think some match ups are so bad because they haven’t tried to find the more subtle tactics for getting in.
Anyway, everyone has their opinions on match ups, I am sure I won’t convince anyone to change their minds in this thread. But I honestly have a hard time believing that any match up is 7-3 for him. He has plenty of 6-4 match ups and 5.5-4.5 match ups, but that is about it as far as I can tell. and with match ups like those, player skill can more than compensate if you put the work in.
If you count AE nerfs and Buffs.
Dudley’s going to be mid mid or high mid.
People REALLY havent begun to look at how great EX Duck is.
I mean come on YOU BEAT Neutral jumps on reaction and in the corner you can beat people jumping back into the corner (ryu jump back HK for example).
Dudley’s definately oging to be up there now.
btw he always had a problem getting in even in sf3. Its different now because it’s hard to stay in.
thank you!
you’re right dudley’s not one of the worst but he does out of all the characters, have difficulties really getting in because he has no real footsies. Even though his mediocre footsies does 120, 130, 80, etc. it’s still hard to get in and his jump in doesn’t have a good arc jump so it’s pretty bad. If he had a Ken jump in or something, I assume Dudley would have a slightly better time getting in if you’re opponent doesn’t expect a jump in. But… I still feel dudley’s defense is shit, needs to REALLY improve. Dudley’s still my main no matter what. This is my 1st SF game, and the first character I used was Ken, then SSF4 was Dudley… I do hope he drastically improves after AE buffs, he definitely needs that help to compete against the top tier characters. Personally, if Dudley is good enough to shit on Chun Li outside of the corner, then Dudley iz prooo.
Only reason Dudley would be better in AE is because of who and the characters who got worse.
None of Dudley’s own changes made him better at something he wasn’t good at in SSF4. EX Duck is nothing more than a combo ender, it won’t help with avoiding jump ins unless they were done too early, so early that recovery ends before the limb would hit the mid of Dudley’s body.
The stHK getting less recovery doesn’t outweigh the hitstun loss. Everything being said you can do with new stHK you can do now. The 3 frames of less recovery doesn’t make it better to poke against Dhalsim, Dic or Chun’s limbs. It makes it worse to do in close quarters. You can’t hit confirm off a lone stHK, do stHK xx EX MGB in blocking range is suicide, doing duck upper or straight is worse than a empty duck, stHK xx LP MGB is the only safe choice in this situation if it hits or blocked, we lost stHK xx Empty Duck hitconfirms, the -3 on block was not a bad risk considering all the momentum and damage you gained if that hits or lands counterhit. The frame advantage is gone off a stHK xx Empty Duck, they took away the close range benefits of this move.
NONE of Dudley’s changes replace that.
Words of wisdom, Mr. X.
i cannot refute that, and i was really hoping ex duck was gonna fix that, but i don’t think it will…
I don’t know how else to say this Mr. X, but you are just going to have to come to terms with this RH hitstun loss. Its here whether we like it or not. And I have been hearing good reports on some of his more slight sounding buffs, so I honestly think that there is almost no chance that Dudley is actually worse off in AE than he is in Super. We just have to make lemonade on the RH hitstun.
There’s another balance coming, I’m sure of it. Wouldnt be surprised if console misses AE and get AE ver. 2.
now thats thinking positive…
I’m still hoping Capcom stops with the fresh coat of paint and actually make changes to the core and hitboxes, you know, real changes that the game needs. They can boost the offense all they want and hurt defensive characters until they are useless but that won’t change the invincible backdashes being strong and all the ways to escape offense.
stfu FADC close thread
we all know a core change won’t happen until 10 years later when they release SFV, or hey we can all just play 3S online edition when it comes out! Better game for better players
Bison dudley is not 5-5. Dudley matchups imo cannot be done like other characters because he has no footsies. You cannot win most characters playing safe or if they doesnt mess up, a character that needs the opponent to make a mistake to have a chance to win cannot have 5-5 matchups (there are exceptions).
Against a GOOD bison, you cannot get in. Is that simple, the character doesnt have the tools. You need to get lucky with focus, jump ins or a random counterhit to start your mixup game. Im not even talking about the options bison has on wakeup against dudley if u dont have ultra.
Dudley cannot play safe, his footsies are non existant and you need to read perfectly your rival and be lucky to win with him. This is not going to change unless they revamped the entire character and thats not going to happen. He is still fun, but if you main him you need to know the limitations of the character and the fact that dudley cannot be played solid and safe.
Hearing that f+MP is a frametrap now, whoever been playing AE dudley a bit, what is your estimate on + frames on block for f+MP.