Does USF4 Require Too Little Skill?

[Max_The_Scrublord]

You’re more likely to lose to crazy shit in SF4 than any other SF, IMO. Random mashing, random focus of a slow poke, random ultra - all these factors can come into play in an instant. Then you have some characters who have stupid hitboxes and also stupid setups.

The game requires a lot of skill to be played at a high level, you can just get a lot of mileage from playing like a complete idiot sometimes (see: all the shitty players wrecking house online but not having even basic fundamentals down).

I agree it’s great at high level, but it’s irritating to me at low level and sometimes even mid level.

[Easilyn]

They keep casuals in the game because you can really do some stupid shit and still give a pro a hard time, which I think is funny tbh.
Ultra is a fine game, storm is broken. If casual games weren’t that horribly made in the gameplay department…

[Max_The_Scrublord]

They keep casuals in the game because you can really do some stupid shit and still give a pro a hard time, which I think is funny tbh.
Ultra is a fine game, storm is broken. If casual games weren’t that horribly made in the gameplay department…

I see what you’re saying, there are lots of players who can get by off of dumb stuff and it can get quite annoying.

[Dan_The_Man]

If you prefer 3s you’ve essentially addressed your own concerns. SF4 gives people better options for defense, focus jank, and easier gameplay overall honestly. It’s a different and IMO inferior game but it’s what got me and a lot of others into the FGC. At this point I’d say just stick with 3s or get decent at ST because many of the habits you’ll form in 4 may hurt you in 5.

[Max_The_Scrublord]

If you prefer 3s you’ve essentially addressed your own concerns. SF4 gives people better options for defense, focus jank, and easier gameplay overall honestly. It’s a different and IMO inferior game but it’s what got me and a lot of others into the FGC. At this point I’d say just stick with 3s or get decent at ST because many of the habits you’ll form in 4 may hurt you in 5.

I do appreciate that it got me into Street Fighter, especially Third Strike, but there are a lot of things that bother me. I see why people like it, as it does simplify a lot of things. Sadly I can’t join in on the SFV fun, don’t have a PS4 or a good PC. By the way, are there still people online or at tournaments for Super Turbo? Online I found no one, and I don’t see a lot of tournament videos.

[Eternal]

If you prefer 3s you’ve essentially addressed your own concerns. SF4 gives people better options for defense, focus jank, and easier gameplay overall honestly. It’s a different and IMO inferior game but it’s what got me and a lot of others into the FGC. At this point I’d say just stick with 3s or get decent at ST because many of the habits you’ll form in 4 may hurt you in 5.

I do appreciate that it got me into Street Fighter, especially Third Strike, but there are a lot of things that bother me. I see why people like it, as it does simplify a lot of things. Sadly I can’t join in on the SFV fun, don’t have a PS4 or a good PC. By the way, are there still people online or at tournaments for Super Turbo? Online I found no one, and I don’t see a lot of tournament videos.

There is definitely a tournament scene but you need to seek it out. Look up STRevival. There is also fightcade and GGPO for online. You’ll find mostly the same group of people but it’s a decent size. Japan regularly has A-cho stuff, nothing the size of their A3 stuff which is probably their most popular and largest scene of retro titles.

EVO2015 had an ST side tournament. There was a large tournament in japan not long ago (X-Mania) http://shoryuken.com/2015/09/23/james-chen-provides-english-commentary-for-x-mania-xvis-classic-super-turbo-competition/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Fr5IBBVL4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkUHb-5QsZo

I’ve seen A LOT of people, even those who don’t play ST, say that the Tournament of legends was the best part of evo 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2gMAOPIHIo

I think this thread has kind of run it’s course TBH.

[Max_The_Scrublord]

If you prefer 3s you’ve essentially addressed your own concerns. SF4 gives people better options for defense, focus jank, and easier gameplay overall honestly. It’s a different and IMO inferior game but it’s what got me and a lot of others into the FGC. At this point I’d say just stick with 3s or get decent at ST because many of the habits you’ll form in 4 may hurt you in 5.

I do appreciate that it got me into Street Fighter, especially Third Strike, but there are a lot of things that bother me. I see why people like it, as it does simplify a lot of things. Sadly I can’t join in on the SFV fun, don’t have a PS4 or a good PC. By the way, are there still people online or at tournaments for Super Turbo? Online I found no one, and I don’t see a lot of tournament videos.

There is definitely a tournament scene but you need to seek it out. Look up STRevival. There is also fightcade and GGPO for online. You’ll find mostly the same group of people but it’s a decent size. Japan regularly has A-cho stuff, nothing the size of their A3 stuff which is probably their most popular and largest scene of retro titles.

EVO2015 had an ST side tournament. There was a large tournament in japan not long ago (X-Mania) http://shoryuken.com/2015/09/23/james-chen-provides-english-commentary-for-x-mania-xvis-classic-super-turbo-competition/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Fr5IBBVL4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkUHb-5QsZo

I’ve seen A LOT of people, even those who don’t play ST, say that the Tournament of legends was the best part of evo 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2gMAOPIHIo

I think this thread has kind of run it’s course TBH.

Yeah I think it’s pretty much over. Thanks for the great responses though!

[IglooBob]

ST and 3s are still reasonably strong in America, Japan, and Western Europe. If you enjoy either of those games, you can find strong competition online and pretty solid events offline. In addition to the ST stuff Eternal posted, American 3s has Fight Club, European 3s has Gutter Trash, and Japanese 3s constantly has tournaments and the game is especially active there. If you’re interested in footage on youtube, TheShend is great for Japan, sf3lp is great for American tournies, and Deemo-Kun is great for the European stuff.

[Dan_The_Man]

If you prefer 3s you’ve essentially addressed your own concerns. SF4 gives people better options for defense, focus jank, and easier gameplay overall honestly. It’s a different and IMO inferior game but it’s what got me and a lot of others into the FGC. At this point I’d say just stick with 3s or get decent at ST because many of the habits you’ll form in 4 may hurt you in 5.

I do appreciate that it got me into Street Fighter, especially Third Strike, but there are a lot of things that bother me. I see why people like it, as it does simplify a lot of things. Sadly I can’t join in on the SFV fun, don’t have a PS4 or a good PC. By the way, are there still people online or at tournaments for Super Turbo? Online I found no one, and I don’t see a lot of tournament videos.

Fightcade is where it’s at for any of the classic fighters. STrevival has great resources for learning ST and even a training mode and scenario program.

[Max_The_Scrublord]

If you prefer 3s you’ve essentially addressed your own concerns. SF4 gives people better options for defense, focus jank, and easier gameplay overall honestly. It’s a different and IMO inferior game but it’s what got me and a lot of others into the FGC. At this point I’d say just stick with 3s or get decent at ST because many of the habits you’ll form in 4 may hurt you in 5.

I do appreciate that it got me into Street Fighter, especially Third Strike, but there are a lot of things that bother me. I see why people like it, as it does simplify a lot of things. Sadly I can’t join in on the SFV fun, don’t have a PS4 or a good PC. By the way, are there still people online or at tournaments for Super Turbo? Online I found no one, and I don’t see a lot of tournament videos.

Fightcade is where it’s at for any of the classic fighters. STrevival has great resources for learning ST and even a training mode and scenario program.

I know about Fightcade, but my PC is absolute garbage, it can barely access Google Chrome. Is there any way I can play it on a console?

[Naeras]

I know about Fightcade, but my PC is absolute garbage, it can barely access Google Chrome. Is there any way I can play it on a console?

If you can run a web browser on your computer, you can probably run fightcade.

Otherwise, HDR is available on consoles, but I’m unsure if there’s still a playerbase there.

[Max_The_Scrublord]

I know about Fightcade, but my PC is absolute garbage, it can barely access Google Chrome. Is there any way I can play it on a console?

If you can run a web browser on your computer, you can probably run fightcade.

Otherwise, HDR is available on consoles, but I’m unsure if there’s still a playerbase there.

Well I do have access to a laptop that’s no gaming PC, but it’s still a pretty competent machine. So does Fightcade require a ton of computing power, or would a simple non gaming PC still work?

[Cipher]

My toaster can run fightcade.

[Plaid_Unicorn]

I know about Fightcade, but my PC is absolute garbage, it can barely access Google Chrome. Is there any way I can play it on a console?

If you can run a web browser on your computer, you can probably run fightcade.

Otherwise, HDR is available on consoles, but I’m unsure if there’s still a playerbase there.

Well I do have access to a laptop that’s no gaming PC, but it’s still a pretty competent machine. So does Fightcade require a ton of computing power, or would a simple non gaming PC still work?

I used to run fightcade on a macbook that was about 8 years old with no issues. You should be fine.

[Max_The_Scrublord]

I know about Fightcade, but my PC is absolute garbage, it can barely access Google Chrome. Is there any way I can play it on a console?

If you can run a web browser on your computer, you can probably run fightcade.

Otherwise, HDR is available on consoles, but I’m unsure if there’s still a playerbase there.

Well I do have access to a laptop that’s no gaming PC, but it’s still a pretty competent machine. So does Fightcade require a ton of computing power, or would a simple non gaming PC still work?

I used to run fightcade on a macbook that was about 8 years old with no issues. You should be fine.

Thanks! I’m guessing the reason it’s so easy to run a lot of older games is because they’re simple compared to modern computing standards? I’m no tech expert but I think that’s plausible.

[Max_The_Scrublord]

I know about Fightcade, but my PC is absolute garbage, it can barely access Google Chrome. Is there any way I can play it on a console?

If you can run a web browser on your computer, you can probably run fightcade.

Otherwise, HDR is available on consoles, but I’m unsure if there’s still a playerbase there.

Well I do have access to a laptop that’s no gaming PC, but it’s still a pretty competent machine. So does Fightcade require a ton of computing power, or would a simple non gaming PC still work?

I used to run fightcade on a macbook that was about 8 years old with no issues. You should be fine.

Thanks! I’m guessing the reason it’s so easy to run a lot of older games is because they’re simple compared to modern computing standards? I’m no tech expert but I think that’s plausible.

[Naeras]

Thanks! I’m guessing the reason it’s so easy to run a lot of older games is because they’re simple compared to modern computing standards? I’m no tech expert but I think that’s plausible.

Let’s just put it this way: you can run Doom (a game from 1993, ST is from 1994) on a graphical calculator. =V
The program and netcode by itself does use some computing power, but honestly it’s not much by modern standards. You should be able to run everything just fine. =)

[Digital]

You could also reformat the said Laptop and make sure no bloatware is on it. Install your web browser, needed drivers and fightcade and thats it. Clean system should help you run it smoother.

[Hotsgg]

sfv will be more similar to 3strike or sfiv?

[Cipher]

sfv will be more similar to 3strike or sfiv?

More like a mix of 3S and ST.

Reminds me of something, I had once a discussing people asked if SFIV takes to little skill.
In the end the answer was like this:

[insert game name here] is way to easy and requires to little skill!