Wolfkrone has like 25k+ worth of BP on Viper online. That is a significant amount of games played NOT offline. You guys are giving him too much credit to offline gaming.
Online match making HAS played a role in a lot of people in SF4, theres’ no denying that.
and thats just on xbox. his psn viper was pretty far up too
Viper matches are basically equivalent to playing a single player game until your opponent gets a knockdown. Online or offline doesn’t really matter.
point taken. bitch just does what she want anyways
That sounds like how Yun is going to end up being. Herp derp mixups.
Well I do believe that offline is the better way to go. However, personally I am content to play from the comfort of my own home at the cost of playing a different version of the game (laggier and more BS).
I don’t know if online is a reflection of true skill or not but I do know that I can’t get to 4000 - 5000 PP like other people can. I couldn’t get there last year and I can’t on my new account now so I know I am less skilled than others regardless of how accurate it is or isn’t.
No, Yun will get owned online the same way Rufus does. People are going to turtle all day, make ridiculous 50/50 guesses and scrub out one win so they can log off and upload it to youtube. The reason Viper is so insane online is because her mixups are that much more powerful, you can’t 50/50 viper, she 50/50s you and you can’t turtle against her, she turtles against you.
what is she, soviet russia?
To an extent, I would say yes. Regardless if one is a frequent tournament / arcade player or a console exclusive player, if you get high enough points in an online ranked match, sooner or later you start to lose way more points than you win in a single fight. That said, in order to maintain such a high points score online, it’d be fair to say that one would have to be at least relatively skilled.
However, in the long-run I’d also say no. Say for the sake of argument that someone out there has 100% perfect connections with everybody online 100% of the time and does great with high points and all. His success online vs. his success in, say, a real-life tournament could vary greatly because of factors such as crowd pressure, noise, the intimidation of fighting a big-shot like Justin Wong / Mike Ross, etc. There are environmental aspects that greatly affect performance. For one thing, while playing online, you don’t really care what other players think of you. You don’t know any of them, and odds are you’ll probably never see them in person anyway. Your performance is what you make of it.
But in a tournament or hell, even just an arcade, it’s different. Your opponent is sitting close to you. You have people physically standing next to you, watching you, dissecting your every move. If you make it onto an EVO stream, the eyes of the world are on you. Your seat might be uncomfortable, or maybe the guy behind you won’t shut up. Performance, reputation, and pride are on the line. All of a sudden you feel as if you have a lot more at stake than just points in an online battle. And that is usually where the skill distinction really shows. You can be great online, but if you’re not used to dealing with the pressure offline, your performance will take a serious hit.
So I guess my answer would be:
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[]If you have no intention of going (Or don’t have access) to arcades / tournaments and online’s all you got, then yes, you can use your performance there as a general assessment of your skill providing that you achieve a good points score, then maintain AND improve it.
[]If you decide to go to arcades or travel to tournaments, then no, your performance online may not necessarily reflect your true skill given the many factors that will affect your performance both physically and psychologically due to the change in environment. Of course, I obviously can’t speak for EVERYONE. One exception would be that if you ALWAYS go to tournaments and arcades and win consistently, then your performance online probably WOULD reflect your true skill.
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At the end of the day, whatever it is you try to do online or at the arcades / tournaments, if it ain’t cheating and it’s what gets you the win, then all the more power to you. Just keep doing what you’re doing. My two cents. Well, more like two dollars, but you get the idea…
yeah, i dont think yun is going to be all that great of an online character either
It does show a good amount of your skill, but not your skill entirely. It really depends. I know for me, I play a lot differently offline than online. When I play online, there’s so much “yomi”. In all honesty, because I know it’s online and there isn’t much to look forward to, I’ll play that more reckless, that more unsafe, and I’ll guess that much more. In tournaments, there is something on the line and then I start trying to play safe, trying not to act, but react, I don’t guess or try to make my opponents guess, but I start to play a clean game. That being said, you can get away with more online and I’ve shown more success there than in my tournament play.
I guess with that little thing there, that’s a good way to say that offline and online are black and white, day and night. As I see it they are different areas of play, and can change the way you perform. However, top play will tend to be the same in those two categories. I might beast online, but can’t break top 16 in a tournament, but Wolfkrone can have your head at a major or on SRKlive. Btw, I know in tournament he rocks the ps3 pad, but what did he use to get to grandmaster and over 26k bp on 360? A modded ps3 pad?
I wouldn’t say one’s success in online play does directly reflect their true skill, but it does reflect a good amount of it. I was an online warrior until late last year, when I started going to Guard Crush. I ended up getting 2-2 in my first tournament, and that’s actually been my worst record ever since I started attending offline tournaments. PP wise, I was able to maintain roughly 4000-4500 PP on both XBL and PSN, so I won a majority of my matches online. At the end of the day though, offline and online are two separate realms. Online can help improve your skill to an extent, but if you play more offline, you will do a lot better. I’ve noticed a significant improvement in my skill level, and I’ve managed to get top 6 in the most recent SSFIV tournaments I’ve gone to. It feels completely different to play someone from a TV at your house, rather than actually sitting next to your opponent, and not having to worry about something like lag.
As someone who has practically no one to play against locally, online is pretty much my only choice. However as lag bites down I really find it hard to take it seriously yet at the same time, it causes me to rage a lot more then playing someone in person. When I play online against someone I don’t know my blood pressure shoots up and my stomach acid gets worked up.
I don’t rage quit / hate mail but for the most part online gets me worked up for no good reason.
But more on topic, I believe one can improve their game from online play. But it can also teach you bad habits. As a Blanka player there are a lot of pitfalls to learning how to play from online. People don’t properly punish blocked balls (well in AE that will be fixed) but at the same time mixup game is severely gimped due to people mashing DP any time anyone gets close to them.
The main issue you have to deal with trying to learn the game online is quite bluntly, the lack of respect people have for the other person. I don’t mean ggs and being polite; I mean offline you will watch at the beginning of the match two people feeling each other out. Online half the time the match start with one or both people running straight at the other one. Not necessarily because they don’t know what they are doing either, sure some are just flowcharters trying to do jump in roundhouse to sweep combos but a lot of it quite simply they are trying to get rid of you as quickly as possible.
So yeah online can help you learn the basics of your normals, your specials and how to properly punish and react to people, but you gotta try not to pick up bad habits such as:
1.Mashing out (Fast) Ultras and DPs during block strings (I am guilty of this when playing as Gen >.<)
2. Mashing out Ultras and DPs on wake up
3. Jumping too much
4. Over using Focus Attacks (This is a major issue for a lot of online players. they grow to rely on it and good players punish it)
5. Not learning Combos. Sure online makes you drop some combos, but not maximizing every punish opportunity is just silly.
All the good tournament players who play online have stupidly high PP and BP for their main characters. If you have impressive execution online it’s only going to be better offline. If you over mash dp, don’t learn combos and over use focus you aren’t a good online player.
Two words that applies to online/offline: “Cognitive Thought”
My Rufus doesn’t get owned online.
This is one of the biggest fallicies around these parts. I used to work for an ISP and now deal with ISP vendors weekly. Fiber is what connects all of the internet. Copper runs are only to the “last mile” to your house, company etc.
The issue is distance which affects latency. No matter how big the bandwidth pipe, latency will always be a detriment to online play. So your 30Mbps FIOS subscription is not going to give you better online play cross country than a 5Mbps Cable Co. link.
Online play WILL make you better, but not in the sense that people are thinking. Playing online will teach you more of your character’s abilities and how to respond to situations. It’ll teach your what to look for and to punish. It’ll teach you a little of space control and movement.
It will not teach you timing or combos. It will not teach you reactions. It will not teach you matchups (well, a little).
I use online play almost exclusively. I use it to learn from my losses to the better players I come up against and to laugh at the terrible people I beat.
Not entirely true. If the connection were truly ideal you would have little over a 20 ms delay from NYC to LA which is the absolute fastest a signal can go. Hell from anywhere in the world to any other spot in the world can be done around 50 ms if the connection were truly ideal. Of course we sadly live in a real world where a lot can go wrong. The fact is the connect is not ideal which is why we get more like 30-140 ms on average. That has more to do with the way our infrastructure was laid down.
There is a crap ton of optimization that could be done if people had the time and money to do it.
I have been over to Asia and I can say there internet is something else.
After extended periods of online play offline feels like slow motion, combos just come out easier. That 4 hit start up works frequently.
But if a guy has 20,000 bp he’s just as likely to hand my ass to me online as off and i havent managed a character past 15k online so yeah skill is skill regardless.