I think the big point to recognize is that playing in 1-2 frames of lag against good players is a world apart from playing in 4-5 frames of lag against random baddies. One is reasonable practice, the other is a pale imitation of Street Fighter.
“Does one’s success in online play directly reflect their true skill?”
Of course not. Offline play will always be the way to play … but you can use online play to up your game (so to speak ;)), if you use it right.
When you’re changing your style of play, or expecting a different style of play due to online conditions, then it’s not the same game, it’s not the same mentality and it’s not the same competition. There are tactics that only work online, and due to the competitive nature of “do anything to win”, they are abused, even by the best if players. You see mike Ross and gootecks do this all the time. They dumb down their play to compensate for the mentality and playstyle that online offers. We all compensate a little, whether it be by attempting less 1framers or by not punishing that shifted jab dp bc we know an ex is coming right afterwards. Regardless, it all means the same thing…you’re not playing the game to it’s full capacity due to the lag that is inevitable and unavoidable.
I play on PC and I dont see so much lag that everyone talks about unless something is downloading and I just make sure nothing is. Its not like online players are any dumber or have a different mentality, its just that they are adapted…or skilled at playing where they play, which is a good thing. If its super laggy then you play another opponent with a better connection, afterall, we all know how it is without lag, since we all have training mode.
Half the time people use this “super bad online lag” as an excuse for losing, and I’m not saying laggy matches dont suck, cuz they do, but it can be overused as an excuse for losing, or having less skill(defined as the ability to win the match) than the other person.
They invented the word “lag tactics” for a reason.
There is more that goes into a connection than just distance. Asia’s infrastructure is significantly better than ours because we are still using a lot of copper cable that was set down about 25+ years ago while Asia set down most of their infrastructure within the last 10 years.
Also if you are using light instead of electricity to carry your signal you will find that distance becomes almost irrelevant. So in the case of Japan they have much better wiring than we do.
That being said, on a great connection you can get good at the game. With lag even the best can get bodied.
Which pretty much equates to what I mentioned earlier in the thread. It just depends on how you view it. Either pessimistically (making excuses) or optimistically (taking it for what it’s worth as well as what you got and working with it to your advantage).
This is not true at all.
Offline definitely creates better players. You’ll develop ‘listening skills’ and online players would normally be surprised by it. Some players force you to play mind games outside the game and can work both ways. A skill that is needed in most tournaments. Online players still can play at this game but they lose out from the experience.
People who play online should try to play offline to get better experience. You can learn a lot more going to arcade than playing online, even if just watching others play.
Actually yes it is true in terms of the cables themselves. That is why I said ALMOST not completely. What adds to the time is the number of routing and amplifying stations used; however, they are still massively faster than their copper counter parts.
Yes it does. Its rough, but it does.
If your only comparing offline and online connection wise, then the person who got used to the lag will most likely be the better player without lag.
Good to know, thanks for sharing.
And dont’ be ashamed to be an online player, in some regions, it’s all we can do. No arcade, no local scene, no friends really into VS fighting or only for the lulz, on some lost islands in West Indies, etc…
as an electrican, i can tell you what he says is pretty true
fiber optics > coaxil
I thought this was a given. Fiber optics upsides are not only limited to the ability to transfer massive amounts of data in a smaller space it increases speed as well. Cable companies have been flaunting this information for a few years especially Verizon with their fios package.
Fiber > coax for a whole lot of reasons, but it’s not like wave propagation in copper is so slow that fiber suddenly makes distance irrelevant.
sorry, but that reasoning sounds like wishful thinking by online warriors.
he said almost in his sentence, and i said pretty true. not saying he was 100% right.
it would make a fair difference if we used fiber for 99% of out transmissions, and gt rid of all the coax. just maybe not for people playing each other from across the country
My, how this thread went way off topic. screeches to the right
Wolfkrone also has massive amounts of offline experience too. Sorry, you don’t get that good playing online alone, it doesn’t happen in the US. Online is online, but if you don’t recognize that online is different in Japan you’re just being willfully ignorant.
And dur, you can get better by playing online, but how good you get and how fast you get better is severely hindered by online play. Like I said, if you really want to get good you play offline, period.
not really. other tourneys, he dosent really play offline at all