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Nough said…
Any “harm” might be for the developers
Players have nothing to fear
As far as Im concerned, Im in a community where we can explore and compete in the same game for over a decade, and still make it an amazing experience.
Many streamers are also likely to yank a game off stream due to low attendance. Streams help games a lot because it exposes people to high level play. Not everyone reads srk, or watch every new YouTube video to see the latest tech. Many see it on stream for the first time. So don’t undermine the importance streams play for games longevity these days. If a gale isn’t being streamed its going to be less relevant, the least relevant a game becomes the least likely people are to spend time with it or enter tournaments for it.
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But what about the people who already frequent tournaments that don’t support SFxT?
Other games like Tekken and KOF still have a strong community even though the game might not get that much stream love.
Maybe people just don’t wanna play SFxT.
If people attended the tournaments then the game would get more love on stream. You get the high level play from the players.
Reading through this thread I love the fact that there is a myth that there were no casual players of fighting games that went to tournaments prior to 2010.
Balance between characters is the LAST thing that can be wrong in a fighting game. The system itself has problems, and that is harder to fix.
Haven’t you heard? You were hardcore the minute you put those two quarters in.
Tekken community is actually pretty weak. KOF is only popular in a few hotspots, mainly in places where it was always know to be popular.
The main issue with Tekken is that it hasn’t picked up a lot of newer players, and this is where the importance of streams come in. Now one may argue that the latest Tekken game came around before streams became over exposed in the community. But I come from a very strong Tekken scene and the same people who played are more or less the same people played Tekken 5 DR SCV is pretty much the same.
While Marvel is churning out new every minute due to it being the most hyped game on stream. AE itself.is considered boring to watch, and hasn’t picked up many new players. Games like Tekken, SC, and AE habe their base, but they really aren’t gaining new players.
And I think if TTT2 is not considered hype it could very well fall victim to low stream numbers. I think a solid game could get buried due to lack of hype.
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When’s Mahvel? Take this [Insert any current or even old game here] ass game off.
I’m not really privy to the inner workings of the scene, would you mind going a bit more in depth with this?
Hype is a high and particular games appeal to certain people’s Hype ReceptorsTM more than others.
MvC3 happens to hit the most people’s Hype ReceptorsTM, especially the audience/stream monsters, which is why it should be streamed last. Anything following that game is a buzzkill atm.
What’s most annoying is when people try to inject hype anywhere in the match even when nothing is really going on. “Man that was so hype, isn’t this hype guys?”. If something is truly hype, then you don’t need to be told it.
Firstly…I personally think that Starcraft is easily among the most boring games to watch people play. If you don’t understand it it’s like the equivalent of watching a bunch of ants cosplay as futuristic army men and alien sentry run around and spam little things all over the screen.
Yet the game still gets more viewers on average than fighting games simply because to those that understand it, it’s extremely hype and has a lot of weight behind it as far as support across the world.
Starcraft pretty much confirms that SFIV AE will always have hype as long as the tournament is big enough for it. SFIV AE still is the most internationally powerful SF game as it’s one of the only newer fighting games that has had arcade cabinets since its release.
The real reason AE doesn’t bring hype for people is that it’s just a very watered down game mechanic wise. It’s not about what it’s like when watching the game. Although I personally never found the game very interesting to watch…if you’re in a fighting game scene ultimately it just comes down to who generally has fun playing it. As far as a SF game it’s easily the most boring SF game I’ve ever played (and have consistently thought this since the game’s original arcade release). Marvel 3 despite being chaotic just has way more ways to go against matchup issues being a team based game and how there is a lot more ways to control your movement than in a typical fighting game. It plays very old school in general in that if there’s something you want to do…you can probably find a way to do it. You don’t really get this feeling in SFIV due to how the game engine just doesn’t allow you to be very creative with your options compared to older SF games.
There’s a lot of people in my local area that love Marvel 3. There’s ALSO a good amount of people in my local area that hate Marvel 3. The people who hate Marvel 3 hate it for the typical reasons and they’re generally the same people who don’t really regularly play animu, vs. type games regularly any ways. They prefer more standard ground footsie fighters. Their problem with SFIV is just that there just isn’t a lot to do in the game. All of the stuff you learned from older SF games is pretty much super watered down so you can’t really use a whole lot of the more interesting stuff you learned from other SF games.
Which is why a lot of those people now regularly play KOF13. A good bit of them play SFxT now also since it’s a bit more reminiscent of how the older SF games work…but there’s genreally just too much rule drama for people to really really get behind the game in the scene ATM.
**The main thing really is that there just isn’t as much to do in these newer fighting games (specifically the Capcom ones) creatively and it’s too easy to create things that shut out interesting things. These things veteran players pick up on it very fast (BAS never even giving SFIV the light of day, Nuki going to back to VF/3S etc.) **
**The general relation of game hype to how interesting it is to watch is really overrated in what makes it hype. SFIV is a game that people would say isn’t always super interesting to watch, but the worldwide high level support of the game makes it hard for people to pass up to watch when the big people are playing (I’m not watching it still, but I know from stream numbers that a lot of other people are). **
** Maybe stream viewer numbers do go down in half when SFxT comes out…but I believe that more so has to do with how people are literally mad at the game and a lot of people feel the game more or less stole their money.**
hype comes from the players. I highly doubt there are many people who randomly saw MvC3 on stream and decided to buy it and come to tournaments. Chances are, they already had it and liked it and wanted to learn more about it to compete and stumbled on a stream that way(that’s how it happened for me anyway).
It was a joke, pretty much.
Still, its not even remotely a secret that the companies will sponsor games, sweeten pots, etc to get their game more tournament prominence. The other thing is that most of the big streams are part of the SRK culture which focuses on Capcom games first and Anime games second, so those games in general will get more stream/tourney love*.
*Edit: Note that I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. It’s perfectly normal and natural for people to want to put up games that they and their friends like.
Stopped reading there. You are just a MvC3 hater apparently
he is someone who like to speak without knowing shit about the subject, you should see the amount of crap that he posted on other thread
your post started with opinion, and ended with opinion (and some untruths) nuki and bas both play sf4 now. you’re exceptionally good at writing long winded yarns that just peddle your opinion. rarely is there any hard fact in any of your posts. idk i just felt like notifying you that your opinions aren’t fact, because i feel like you believe that to be the case.
That’s fine because I don’t even play or watch SFIV anymore so I wouldn’t know that to be the case. I know that it was a sure fact that both of them for a long period of time had a big distaste for SFIV. It’s obvious that the game is neither of theirs favorite fighting game and they’ve both been pretty vocal about it in the past (specifically BAS more or less calling the game uninteresting). Which that was pretty much fact.
If it’s not fact anymore that’s fine, but it was fact at one time and very telling of how other veteran players would perceive the game in my scene and pretty much every other scene. MOV also hated or still hates SFIV, but plays it because if you like playing fighting games in general it’s hard to pass up on playing against that many players and mindsets to keep your overall thought process strong.
Stop being so butthurt.
The jist of my post is basically in the fact that the newer Capcom games just don’t provide the amount of creativity and options of the older SF games and it shows with people’s opinions despite their level of play. It’s something everyone is in on regardless of their skill level and it affects how the games are perceived and how interesting people find them to actually play.
SFxT is a lot of the worst elements of Capcom’s newer games + other new issues all rolled up into one big ball that not everyone is having a particularly great time playing or watching
I agree that SF4 isnt as interesting as CvS2 (i know youre a 3s guy but that game isn’t interesting to me, either). But I just think it’s funny that you say that AE is watered down mechanic wise (it isn’t, at high level you need a fuck load of OS and for a lot of characters plinking is pretty much necessary as well). And i also think that it’s funny that you’re comparing a “watered down” AE to sc2, because starcraft takes a fuck ton of skill and is incredibly exciting to watch and play if you know what’s going on.
Essentially you’re admitting to the fact that you don’t care, play, pay attention to or understand these games and for that reason they’re watered down and boring. heh.