That isn’t noteworthy at all. You cannot condition the skull to shrug off blows like that.
Yes, that’s right. That’s a product of his MMA training and probably just his natural aggressive instincts.
This pretty much sums up the article Sexperienced linked and I agree with you entirely.
I wouldn’t bother discussing this with a dude who said mma is overrated and boxing was useless. Seriously that @emanuelb dude is completely clueless.
But @wasted is right. In that situation even noob grapplers would rather tie a a dude up and just keep him grounded.
By throwing a kick and smashing dude’s head in on concrete. You go from self defense to murder. Being a huge muscled up dude is cool. But you get blasted full force to the dome you are most likely to die. The follow up strikes pretty much sealed it
Most guys i know who train are chill. But then i am in SoCal where pretty much everyone who trains gets humbled and drilled in the gym and the switch turns off. This is more that dude has violent tendencies and was vindictive. Not an accident. I blame that entirely on that retard
Like so many stories of people throwing a punch and victim cracking their skull on concrete. A ko is two fold. The hit and smacking the ground.
Avoid fighting at every turn. Just run away. Lawsuits. Jail time. Lawyers. Death. Not worth it
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Yes you can to an extent, and the only way to do this is by getting consistently hit in sparring, that’s why MMA and K-1 fighters withstand far harder and faster kicks to the head, and that’s also why they don’t immediately die after being Ko’d. I’m surprised you guys didn’t notice how slow that kick was.
This fight had nothing to do with self defense, this was a pre-arranged street fight with a referee and spectators. We don’t know the extent of the blows he landed after knocking that guy down because the video cuts off at that point.
Being an MMA fighters doesn’t automatically make you a BJJ black belt or even competent on the ground, and they were fighting on CONCRETE not a mat. You talk like you’ve never been in a real fight before. Low blows are not guaranteed to immediately end fights, in fact landing low blows on a standing opponents in a REAL fight rarely works when your opponent expects anything.
Striking is the most effective and quickest way to end a fight and he did just that, and if you didn’t notice there’s a referee overlooking the fight. He was supposed to stop the fight after the KO. It’s not necessarily the MMA guy’s fault, when you’re in a real fight and the adrenalin kicks you’re not really thinking about the other guy’s safety, that’s precisiely why we have refs to stop fights, we don’t allow fighters to stop fights according to their own judgement.
Like I said earlier, the video cuts out before he lands a blow on his opponent who was already KO’d. We really don’t know the extent of the strikes he landed after that before the ref (or someone else) jumped in to stop it. Fighters landing excessive blows happens all the time even in sanctioned MMA fights. Saying he acted like he was in a cage and killed the guy makes absolutely no sense because killing the guy was not intentional. Unfortunately these things happen, people die in real fights and in even sanctioned MMA fights like the one recently in Ireland. That’s just the nature of fighting and it will happen again.
No you can’t because a spinning heel kick isn’t the property of TKD, its used all the time and more effectively in Muay Thai which is a superior art to TKD. Considering that the majority of MMA fighters incorporate Mauy Thai with BJJ and wrestling and rarely ever TKD it’s pointless for that guy to try to equate MMA as being as effective/ineffective as TKD which is essentially what he was saying by calling it a combat “sport” like other combat sports when it really isn’t. It’s far superior to TKD for self defense and if we’re talking purely about striking the average MMA fighter would still beat most TKD fighters purely under striking rules alone.
I defy you to show me someone who allows full force, fight-night speed spin kicks to the head in sparring.
The dude cracked his skull on the concrete. It wasn’t the initial kick that killed him, it would have been the continual pounding of his head into the concrete.
I taught TKD for years. The bloke was wearing boots and delivering a straight-leg spinning kick above his own head height. It looks about as fast as any regular Kyokushin kick, tbh.
There’s no ref there. There’s just some spectators who step in after they see him going too far.
The video very clearly shows him punching the guy in the head at four or five times before someone steps in. The dude is out cold, arms spread, and his head is already resting on the concrete before he get pounded.
Nothing is a guarantee, but since you ride MMA’s dick so much you should be more than aware of how many times MMA fights have been stopped by accidental eye or groin strikes. The shit works, and all you need to do is mask them behind something that IS expected like a jab or overhand.
The bloke was a professional fighter. He acted like he was in the cage and kept fighting until someone stopped him.
Spinning heel kicks are far from popular in Muay Thai. Most people who can do spinning wheel kicks in the ring get them from TKD first, then Karate. The guy is also punching him downward, TKD or Karate style, instead of going for GNP. All the signs are there.
Wow that was some dumb shit
“You can train to take hard hits to the head”
If that was true then overeem should be getting zenkai boost from the shots that kill him
The more you get hit the more likely you get ko’d the brain is not indestructable
You’re seem really desperate to somehow find faults in MMA. The issue has nothing to do with the ineffectiveness of MMA as a martial art, MMA is proven to be effective so that’s no longer a serious discussion. The issue at hand is the actions of an individual not the art he participates in, and there’s no such thing as a civilian based martial art. MMA is the combination of effective martial arts, not the rules that govern the sport. If someone unintentionally (in this case) or intentionally kills someone no one in their right mind would blame the art that this person participates in for his actions. FIGHTING is dangerous, the best way to avoid being killed is to avoid fighting completely and not just in the street but that’s not always realistic.
This guy isn’t going to spend more than 5 years in prison, if even that. If his opponent died because his skull hit the concrete then that’s not a good enough reason to give him more than a few years in jail in any European country. I know someone who intentionally killed someone with a punch to the back of the head and he received just 4 years in jail.
Hitting an unconscious downed opponent is not fair game in MMA. Hitting a downed opponent who is still concious and fighting back is fair game.
Nowhere in that video does it show the guy hitting the guy who eventually died 4-5 times after the KO. I doubt he’ll be convicted of manslaughter, and even if he does it wont be more than 5 years if even that,
If you think that guy hits as hard as the fighters who KO Overeem then you have to be stupid. Overeem’s chin would be even worse if he had no kickboxing/sparring experience, hence why I said you could improve it to an extent but not with powerlifting or bodybuilding. You need to be hit frequently in sparring, that’s the only way. I didn’t say you have to be KO’d in sparring, obviously that wont help but you have to be hit frequently. That bodybuilder didn’t even fall on his head, it looked like he fell on his side. His head didn’t bounce off the ground.
If that bodybuilder had sparring experience he would have withstood the impact or had the reflexes to blocked that kick. Or even better he would have easily avoided it with footwork and head movement. In that video you could tell he had zero mobility, in fact he could barely walk.
Also taking far too many hard hits to the head IS detrimental especially when you’ve been KO’d countless times, there’s is a limit to it. I also guarantee that the guy who landed that slow spinning heel kick that you could see from a mile away wouldn’t have dented Overeem, even if he’s on the slide, or other high level MMA fighters. That’s why he has to fight in the street to prove himself rather than earning a wage as a pro fighter.
You are an absolute liar, the punches begin at 0:24. His arms go flat just before the first punch, and at least three others are delivered, making four (theres a quick cut in the video).
The guy wasnt hit in the chin, he took a boot to the side of the head. Right at the end of the final slowmo you see the kick catch him up high near the jaw and temple.
For all we know he could have landed just one punch after the knock down. He goes into the motion of landing a single punch which we can assume lands before the video cuts to a different angle but that isn’t 4-5 punches. We don’t even see the first punch land let alone 4-5, lol. I’m not lying about anything unless you guys watched an entirely different video.
My point was nothing can be done to prevent many of these deaths. This is the nature of fighting but I believe the powerlifter would have done far better if he had striking experience.
The first two punches land uninterrupted. The cut happens between the second and third.
It is right there, it has been time stamped for you. You are simply lying to save face.
Yes we were watching entirely different video. I was looking at this video within the article not the youtube one posted above.: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4296471/shocking-moment-mma-fighter-kills-champion-powerlifter-in-brutal-street-fight-after-he-was-mocked-for-being-no-better-than-a-gymnast/
Yes, they seemed to have a ref and spectators mediating the fight, they did a shitty job but those extra blows were unnecessary because he was already unconsious.
This still isn’t a self defense issue because the fight was pre-arranged. Unfortunately for the people watching they might also be held accountable for his death to a degree because they didn’t intervene earlier.
This guy wont get anymore than 5 years. If this fight wasn’t arranged and happened instantly in a bar with the exact same outcome there would be no jail time.
It wasn’t a pre-arranged fight. The brawl broke out in a cafe, according to police.
That makes it entirely a self-defense situation, as either man could have easily just walked away. Because the killer is a trained fighter, this would be used against him if it happened anywhere except Russia.
How can it break out in a cafe if it didn’t take place in the cafe. The fight must have been arranged in the cafe before they went outside to fight.
It’s not a self defense situation if either man could have walked away, isn’t that obvious. Is your definition of self defense different to everyone else’s?
So I read the following in the daily star article:
LOL, really?.. self defense my ass.
They even picked the location of the fight which seemed to be a car park with plenty of room to fight. Was it a coincidence that a referee was also present amongst the spectators?? and notice how calm the spectators were during the fight to the point that most of them weren’t even focusing on the fight happening right in front of them, they knew exactly what was going down because it was all arranged. Some of them looked like they were waiting for their turn to fight but that’s another story.
In a spur of the moment fight people do not have the time to take off their jackets and shirts before squaring up to fight. If this was England which is where I’m from this guy would not get more than 4 years, and in no European country would he get anywhere near 20 years in prison for what happened.
Shoving matches and brawls very quickly lead to people ripping off clothes once fighters grt some distancd.
Fight starts in the cafe, they take it outside and continue. Seems pretty simple to understand. There’s no ref. The bloke in the Gallery shirt is just standing around watching like everyone else.
This isn’t the first time a fight has broken out in this location. This isn’t a car park, this is the sidewalk, as evidenced by this footage of a different fight:
Ok, so according to this new video (which is a hell of a lot clearer than the others) the police stopped their first 2 attempts to fight, and rather than making sure they both left the site before the problem escalated further the Police then decide to immediately leave. That’s when they arrange to fight for the 3rd time resulting in the death of the bodybuilder.
No one had their shirt ripped off. As you can see at 3:27 the bodybuilder had already taken his shirt off. From 3:27 onwards that’s when we see them agreeing and arranging to fight. The MMA fighter hands his shirt to one of the spectators standing nearby during their fight.
This makes it even less of a self defense issue because they had plenty of chances to walk away after fighting on 2 occasions with the Police getting involved. The final fight was not necessary at all. He’s definitely getting sentenced to jail but not 20 years.
I’m not desperate at all, this simply shows no martial art is perfect, and it is a good thing to be aware of your own art’s faults. That wasn’t a prearanged fight, the 2 guys were arguing over which sport is better and then decided to settle things with a fight. there was no referee, just a bunch of spectators/friends. Also, in the video Wasted posted just above you can clearly see the mma guy punching 4 times the downed one, the 5th being stopped by another guy.
In mma the fight doesn’t stop once your opponent is down, and that guy did what he was taught: dropped his opponent with a kick and then followed up with some ground and pound. Take a look at this classic:
Machida drops randy with a powerful kick (a karate kick, btw) then he follows to the ground with punches - the only reason he stopped is because the referee stepped in.
Self defence laws varies from country to country, but an esential rule is that once your attacker/opponent retreats or is on the ground, you stop, you are not allowed to hit him anymore, otherwise you become the aggressor and risk being charged with assault.
The MMA guy could have claimed self defence until he started to punch the downed body builder. Once he did that, he was charged with assaulting and killing his victim during assault. Some neswpaper from russia said he will be convicted for at least 20 years (well the fact he killed an olympic medalist didn’t help his case)
There are civilian defence based martial arts - or self defence, or simply traditional, however you want to call them. There is quite a bit of difference between traditional karate and sport karate.
I can never take anything you say seriously at all.
Pretty much. Even then, the MMA guy actually manages to throw the bodybuilder to the ground.
He could have choked him out and not killed the guy at all.
Sigh*… here we go again.
Nope, In fact this fight actually proves the effectiveness of MMA because he easily beat a far bigger and stronger opponent. The fact that he died is unfortunate but that’s the reality of fighting, especially when you choose to fight on the street, and on concrete wearing black shoes. Both could have walked away and that bodybuilder had way too much pride because judging by their first 2 fights when the Police intervened he was obviously going to lose the 3rd fight.
You can only claim that a specific art has a fault when the practitioner of that art loses. If the MMA guy lost to the bodybuilder who obviously had limited fighting experience then you can say MMA isn’t perfect and has obvious flaws, but that did not happen.
Someone choosing to fight when he doesn’t need to and to also use excessive force isn’t the fault of the martial art he competes in, it’s the fault of the individual. Simple…
You just said, “the 2 guys were arguing over which sport is better and then decided to settle things with a fight”. How is that not prearranging a fight? You can even seem them arranging it in the video.
A non-prearranged fight would be the aggressor attacking his victim immediately without prior warning, now if that happened in this case with the bodybuilder being the aggressor and the MMA fighter defending himself then the same outcome (even with the excessive 4 to 5 blows) would be a non-issue. The MMA fighter would not be arrested or charged in that case.
In this case the Police had to jump in and prevent them from fighting on two occasions, they even waited for the Police to leave right before their final 3rd confrontation which clearly proves that neither of them was fighting in self defense, and now that we know the reason they were fighting it was undeniably not in self defense.
Yes I’m aware of that now I was watching an entirely different video of the fight. Like I said him landing the extra 4 to 5 punches was not in self defense, the entire fight wasn’t in self defense.
In MMA the fight does stop if your knocked down and unconscious. MMA doesn’t teach fighters to continue striking on unconscious opponents and that’s why we have refs, but in real fights this may not be the case especially if no one intervenes.
Unfortunately this is the nature of real fighting where you have to make sure your opponent is neutralized as quickly as possible. Which means excessive blows will be landed to make sure your opponent is no longer a risk to you. Being overly cautious and worrying about the safety of your opponent just isn’t realistic when your life is equally at risk.
You know what else MMA doesn’t teach? It doesn’t teach people to settle dumb argument with a shirtless street fight. This fight could have easily been avoided. The MMA guy can not claim self defense at all because he did not fight in self defense.
the extra punches after the KO isn’t even the issue here. I’m actually confused as to why it’s still being discussed. This happens all the time in MMA and it will continue to happen.
Don’t know who it but saying Thai boxing is superior because of MMA is blinded by the echo chamber. You might be surprised with what MMA will look like in 10 years