Or does it vary by region? I know that the CE dedicated cabinet uses Happ in the US but thats about it. All information appreciated.
Thanks
Jack
of course it varies by region, i don’t even think they have happ parts in japan.
USA: Happ
Japan: Sanwa, Seimitsu
Korea: Myoungshin, Crown, Taeyoung
Europe: Industrias Lorenza, Suzo
And there’s probably a few more.
So did they just stick the board in any cabinet available then? Or was there a kit with the parts in it?
According to what I’ve read and what Kikimaru just told you, about the only things in the kit would be the Capcom CPS-1 motherboard, the CPS-1 PCB/cart with the actual program SF II on it, and decals for the game (game art for cabinet).
Other than that, it’s generic. Arcade owners use their own bought cabinets and install the electronics and artwork provided by the game vendor unless there’s a production unit available… It’s cheaper to do generic, though. There’s a JAMMA standard for wiring that everybody used past 1985. A monkey could easily swap out games in a cabinet. I’m sure the Capcom games have all used this. The electronics and wiring are the things that are most important for consistency. Local hardware (joysticks, buttons) depends on the region.
I’m sure Capcom produced SFII games in their own Capcom cabinets but generic refitting of existing cabinets I’m sure is not out of the question. For specific types of setups (multi-player games like Namco’s Cybersled and Sega’s racing games) I’m sure you have to buy the game direct from a distributor for said game hardware and couldn’t just refurbish an existing game cabinet with new PCBs. That could get expensive and I’m sure it’s a big reason why Model 2 and 3 games were not as widespread in arcades as games based on the PlayStation hardware. Model 2/3 games cost $20,000 and arcade owners had to buy/rent a whole expensive set-up! Namco games had more generic hardware (far less expensive) and were far less expensive to acquire and operate. The fact that they used the same hardware for a long time meant that a Tekken unit could be swapped for a Soul Edge game if the arcade operator wanted…
The old manufactured suzo sticks were the best arcade sticks ever made, far better than todays sanwa’s and seimitsu’s.
People need to understand that people from different parts of the world generally have different sized hands which will ultimately effect the way you grip a stick.
European manufactured sticks were better suited for people in the west, but because gamers are generally obsessed with japan these days we’re now all adapting to sticks that are generally harder for us to use…
Suzo arcade sticks were the only arcade sticks more efficient than using a pad for tapping aswell as executing 360, 720’s… the only problem is they’re a hassle to put in arcade sticks.
That’s impossible to back up. Every stick choice is a matter of preference. None “work” better than others, assuming we’re talking about arcade quality parts (i.e. robust and designed for commercial environments). All have different attributes that may sway a particular user towards or away form them.
It’s not that people are “obsessed” with japan and the japanese parts aren’t necessarily harder to use either. It all depends on the user.
get hold of the old suzo arcade stick, not the model currently in production. Use it, then you’ll get your answer.
Its not even a matter of preference and you’ll know instantly if its the best stick you’v ever used.
you said earlier that “People need to understand that people from different parts of the world generally have different sized hands which will ultimately effect the way you grip a stick.” which would imply that event he old suzo would not be the best for japanese, korean, or other people so you’re using a universal argument that its the best for something that you already stated is a relative (relative in terms of region)…
i mean i personally think its preference, but i dont think your argument holds up.
I’d like to find one now just out of curiosity.
Still a matter of preference. Having played on Sanwa’s and Seimitsu for over 15 years now, if it’s not a balltop with a square gate, then I’d personally consider it trash.
Yes, i’m assuming he isnt asian… and i’m talking in general terms.
Suzo sticks were a lot stiffer and far more responsive than jap sticks, but over the last 5-7 years they were redesigned to feel almost identical japanese sticks.
I’m currently in discussion with someone in europe who has access to 2 of these sticks but this idiot wont sell them to me even-though I’ve told him to name his price… (long story).
If I eventually get these sticks I intend to make at least 20 duplicates. I’ll send you one if you can cover the P&P, I live in the UK btw.
Definitely. Just PM me when you get it all together.
How will you go about the duplicates? You should start a thread to gauge interest; there may be others who prefer the old suzo.
I have contacts. I know a plastic prototype-moulding specialist who’ll do it for a relatively cheap price.
Sweet i’ll take one. I live in London so it shouldn’t be that expensive to ship either
I’m intrigued as i don’t know what type of parts I played on as a kid/teen. I do remember some convex buttons that I assume are generic or Happ, but I don’t know what the joysticks were.
Where did you live at the time? Waa the stick a Bat top or a Ball top stick?
no problem.
But I must ask if you have issues using arcade sticks, if so, you’ll love the Suzo sticks but if you’re proficient already you wont.
My first experience using a suzo stick was at the age of 13, it was Street Fighter 2 Turbo at my local swimming pool. at that age I could execute any move and any combo with every character, easily, without even practicing… at one point I recall getting a 25 win streak against older players. They all thought i was on drugs, i remember one asian guy commenting that i was the only non asian he couldnt beat, lol… I dont even remember playing anyone my age in those days…
Forward to today… and i’m still having problem using japanese sticks which i’ve been using for far longer than Suzo’s. 2 years ago I was fortunate enough to come across an arcade with Suzo sticks, this time it was STurbo at a Pizza shop in the north of england, I completed the game 8 times without losing a round on the hardest level. In contrast, using a sanwa or seimitsu stick I’d be lucky to even beat the first character and i’ve NEVER successfully pulled off a combo with a charge character with these sticks.
This experience made me come to the conclusion that japanese sticks arent for everyone. Suzo’s sticks were never popular because the arcade scene in the UK could never compare to japan or america, these sticks were also far more expensive to manufacture than sticks today.
Yeah the only time I have used a Suzo stick was at my local shopping center (mall) in the independent game store. It had a marvel vs Capcom 2 cabinet with suzo parts installed. Found it easier to execute moves than on a happ stick. I’m relatively new to the arcade stick scene so I’m trying as many different types of sticks as possible.