Directional Influence..... why don't more fighting games incorporate this?

[magical_voice_show]

that’s because most of them actually have some kind of deficiency or handicap

[Carthage]

Notice how smash players always try to drag some thing from smash bro’s into a REAL 2d fighter to make it better in there perspective? Gosh in the tourny at Orlando Mayhem, all the smash players looked like geek’s to the 5th power with down syndrome, so when ever one posts I just pretend I am talking to a retard.

And “classic” 2d fighting game players are poor minorities. I’d rather be a nerd tyvm.

[oBryant]

that’s because most of them actually have some kind of deficiency or handicap

Lmfao dude I think I only saw like 3 that looked normal, one was a pretty cute chick.

And “classic” 2d fighting game players are poor minorities. I’d rather be a nerd tyvm.

lol your posting this on a website dedicated to a 2d fighter.

[deadfrog]

And “classic” 2d fighting game players are poor minorities. I’d rather be a nerd tyvm.

So did you seriously just drop a subtle racist jab into this? Have fun mooching off of your parents, virgin.

[magical_voice_show]

And “classic” 2d fighting game players are poor minorities. I’d rather be a nerd tyvm.

yeah okay because you know about hood economics give me a break

[oBryant]

So did you seriously just drop a subtle racist jab into this? Have fun mooching off of your parents, virgin.

lol man I love it when srk’er gang up on Super smash babies.

yeah okay because you know about hood economics give me a break

lol I love it how he just generally put all 2d fighters into a category as minorities. how… whats the word… ignorant is it… stereo typical? I donno, I should have listened in school but since I play SF I’m a minority and will never know the meaning of each word…

[Carthage]

l
lol I love it how he just generally put all 2d fighters into a category as minorities. how… whats the word… ignorant is it… stereo typical? I donno, I should have listened in school but since I play SF I’m a minority and will never know the meaning of each word…

But you had nothing to say about this:

that’s because most of them actually have some kind of deficiency or handicap

If your going to be a hypocrite, try to do it at least a page apart.

[magical_voice_show]

he didn’t have anything to say about that because being mentally deficient isn’t something that is tied to race or ethnicity

[oBryant]

But you had nothing to say about this:

If your going to be a hypocrite, try to do it at least a page apart.

dude… I read the first and last page of this retarded thread cause its useless and again, retarded. Get a hobby bro. go pick up a “learn to draw” kit and start drawing or something. Go play with your little $7 game cube controller.

[Carthage]

he didn’t have anything to say about that because being mentally deficient isn’t something that is tied to race or ethnicity

Do you know what a generalization is?

[oBryant]

But you had nothing to say about this:

If your going to be a hypocrite, try to do it at least a page apart.

Also, I am not being a hypocrite. its a fact that 9 out of 10 Super smash babies are disgustingly ugly and have some sort of defect.

No offence to the one’s who don’t. ITS NOT THE GAME, ITS THE FANBASE! STICK TO GAME FAGGS… I mean Faq’s.

[The_MC_Clusky]

Watchusay!!??!?

Damn punk.

I’m sorry but, DI only works in a 2D game like Smash because…you can actually get smashed out of the screen, thus DI actually works and makes sense in that game.

REAL 2D games have an alternative…it’s called teching, you can tech back/neutral/forward, and similarly, you read the opponents techs or set them up for certain tech traps in order to continue offense and keep them on their toes.

DI would not work in REAL 2D games because stages aren’t as wide and nor can characters fall off the actual stage you nub.

Also, REAL 2D games aren’t as floaty as smash, thus if there was DI it’d happen too quicky to matter, it’d also be really hard for the opponent on the offense to actually catch someone who’s DI’ng away during your combo (of course this would vary with each game).

You would have to make a whole new 2D fighting game with the mechanics of DI in mind, and it’d just end up being like smash without the falling off of stages. Someone could try it, but it seems like a whole lot of effort to go to just to add some pointless Smash mechanic that serves no other real purpose other than to satisfy your ‘What if?’ ideas.

Also, in Smash you can tech, but the more damage you’ve accumulated the longer it takes before you can tech…this works because Smash is based around damage percentages and ringing people out, not reducing their health to zero. So what, in this magical 2D fighting game you’re talking about, the lower someones health is, the longer they can’t tech?

That sounds retarded. The only thing I can think of is having a ‘tech’ meter similar to a stun or guard break bar, but the problem is that it would have to work on the same basis–accumulated damage/hits. Sorry man, it’s retarded.

DI’ing would also look really retarded might I add. Imagine being jabbed out of the air, then magically floating away while your opponent thinks “Wtf! I only jabbed you!” while chasing after your floaty ass.

Think you idiot, think! Do you even know the mechanics of your own game? Luckily I used to play Smash so I know how the game works, keep your scrubby ideas to yourself until you actually figure out how fighting games work. Oh, and this post is harsh because you dissed GG and KI and had the audacity to call a proper and practical mechanic (for REAL 2D fighting games) a ‘gimmick’, fool. Many 2D games use the idea of a Burst now, but I guess your idea of DI’ing is way better riet?

Fool.

I’m not a fucking game designer. I posted this thread to do what threads are supposed to do… start a discussion.

Also I like Guilty Gear. It’s actually Blazblue’s version of the burst that makes me a little annoyed (you now take a huge amount of extra damage post burst… making it so risky it rarely ever gets used.) I should have clarified.

While I agree more fighting games need varied properties on hit depending on range and the move actually hitting them, so that combos may be diversified, I would rather… Not have that thing here.

Its a good intention, but the whole idea behind damage output is that its a reward for reading them prior to fishing out the attempt, which happens as a direct consequence of correct guessing, trapping, spacing.

Putting guessing into that is just… A little strange, and would belittle the basic foot to foot spacing and how much it matters. Ie you could guess right roughly 3 times, them 10 and still be ahead assuming they miss their directional influence chases.

Smash has plenty of spacing… different parts of each attack have different damage and hit properties, Marth’s sword tip for a very simple example. The Ken combo does not work without proper spacing. Anyways…

Thank you for partially agreeing with me.

You are a fucking idiot or just baiting

Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion.

Notice how smash players always try to drag some thing from smash bro’s into a REAL 2d fighter to make it better in there perspective? Gosh in the tourny at Orlando Mayhem, all the smash players looked like geek’s to the 5th power with down syndrome, so when ever one posts I just pretend I am talking to a retard.

Unfortunately, I’ll have to agree with you. 90% of the smash community has their balls on smash and smash only, to the point where they try to compare it to everything, rant on and on how much better it is than other fighters, etc…

Pretty much like any fighting game community although smash is the worst along with Tekken. Although Tekken don’t brag about the game itself, they just stick to their own scene and shun others. From my observations at least as a tournament host of fighting games.

Wow. Another thread about something from Smash…

Watch as the OP never replies to anything.

Excuse me for not always being on the internet

I would just improve on the tech-hit ability. Someone throws, you tech-hit and they get pushed waaaay the hell back to where even their fast air dash wont be able to reach you and you still maintain super jumping status so that you cant be guard broken.

I think people are taking the idea of DI a little bit too seriously… DI isn’t as easy as just holding the stick in one direction. YOU CAN STILL GET COMBO’D.

It just isn’t on autopilot anymore. Every combo in smash is just a little bit different because of DI. That’s why you can make a kickass montage out of combos from real matches and it’ll be a different video from someone else’s combo video. Meanwhile all street fighter combo vids are done in training mode and either are extremely situational/impossible/impractical (the old hadoken, run across the screen and it continues the combo crap, full stun bar, etc) or a demonstration of BNB combos, combos which everyone has seen and can do. (An exception I suppose is custom combos, but usually a popular one that has maximum damage for the less amount of work gets used in actual matches).

Also people who are saying “Get this smash nonsense out of my street fighter” I’m not saying we should take street fighter and make it like smash, I was trying to get discussion going to find something that can give an edge to a player being combo’d rather than simply air teching.

Finally, for anyone here that never paid attention to Melee and have only seen the Brawl scene… plz note that the games are very different except for the most basic elements. I thought it was hilarious when SRK added a Brawl section after shunning Melee. I don’t care that that they shunned Melee, most anything on SRK that isn’t Capcom isn’t given much of a place, because well, it’s SRK. It makes sense. Brawl is a fucking joke of a game. Don’t judge the entire community over the shit storm Brawl created.

Back on topic…

QUICK QUESTION: Does Tekken have air control? I always wondered why Soul Calibur wasn’t the juggle fest that Tekken is, being that both are made by Namco.

[Carthage]

Also, I am not being a hypocrite. its a fact that 9 out of 10 Super smash babies are disgustingly ugly and have some sort of defect.

No offence to the one’s who don’t. ITS NOT THE GAME, ITS THE FANBASE! STICK TO GAME FAGGS… I mean Faq’s.

And it’s a fact that 9/10 classic 2d fighting players are poor and part of a minority.

[oBryant]

to MC, dude I am just messing with them. lol I have nothing against SSB players. they take stuff to seriously to be posting on SRK.

[_Onslaught]

Watchusay!!??!?

Damn punk.

I’m sorry but, DI only works in a 2D game like Smash because…you can actually get smashed out of the screen, thus DI actually works and makes sense in that game.

REAL 2D games have an alternative…it’s called teching, you can tech back/neutral/forward, and similarly, you read the opponents techs or set them up for certain tech traps in order to continue offense and keep them on their toes.

DI would not work in REAL 2D games because stages aren’t as wide and nor can characters fall off the actual stage you nub.

Also, REAL 2D games aren’t as floaty as smash, thus if there was DI it’d happen too quicky to matter, it’d also be really hard for the opponent on the offense to actually catch someone who’s DI’ng away during your combo (of course this would vary with each game).

You would have to make a whole new 2D fighting game with the mechanics of DI in mind, and it’d just end up being like smash without the falling off of stages. Someone could try it, but it seems like a whole lot of effort to go to just to add some pointless Smash mechanic that serves no other real purpose other than to satisfy your ‘What if?’ ideas.

Also, in Smash you can tech, but the more damage you’ve accumulated the longer it takes before you can tech…this works because Smash is based around damage percentages and ringing people out, not reducing their health to zero. So what, in this magical 2D fighting game you’re talking about, the lower someones health is, the longer they can’t tech?

That sounds retarded. The only thing I can think of is having a ‘tech’ meter similar to a stun or guard break bar, but the problem is that it would have to work on the same basis–accumulated damage/hits. Sorry man, it’s retarded.

DI’ing would also look really retarded might I add. Imagine being jabbed out of the air, then magically floating away while your opponent thinks “Wtf! I only jabbed you!” while chasing after your floaty ass.

Think you idiot, think! Do you even know the mechanics of your own game? Luckily I used to play Smash so I know how the game works, keep your scrubby ideas to yourself until you actually figure out how fighting games work. Oh, and this post is harsh because you dissed GG and KI and had the audacity to call a proper and practical mechanic (for REAL 2D fighting games) a ‘gimmick’, fool. Many 2D games use the idea of a Burst now, but I guess your idea of DI’ing is way better riet?

Fool.

Never heard of these REAL 2D games.

[m0ng00se]

With crazy fly-all-over-the-screen fighters like Marvel, Guilty Gear and BlazBlue, DI would just make a mess. DI seems like a basic failsafe to prevent infinite comboing, but most anime fighters have their own ways of avoiding that same mess.

With the possible exception of MvC2 (I think it’s an exception, but I never really played it so I wouldn’t know), pretty much every air-combo-heavy fighter has the basic mechanics of constant downward acceleration and damage proration to prevent infinite combos. The only real directions you would want to DI during any air combo would be downwards and away from your opponent, and knockback and downward acceleration give you both of those directions at the same time.

Air teching provides you with the follow up mindgame that you’re looking for (where you guess if they’re gonna tech one way or another so you can be there to hit them, or if they’re gonna try and not tech at all and you go for black beat combos).

The ideas you’re looking for in DI exist already, just not in the way you see it in Smash.

[Gief_100proof]

Do you know what a generalization is?

And “classic” 2d fighting game players are poor minorities. I’d rather be a nerd tyvm.

Sure do. Now go back under your bridge.

[ShadedWolf]

Watchusay!!??!?

Damn punk.

I’m sorry but, DI only works in a 2D game like Smash because…you can actually get smashed out of the screen, thus DI actually works and makes sense in that game.

REAL 2D games have an alternative…it’s called teching, you can tech back/neutral/forward, and similarly, you read the opponents techs or set them up for certain tech traps in order to continue offense and keep them on their toes.

DI would not work in REAL 2D games because stages aren’t as wide and nor can characters fall off the actual stage you nub.

Also, REAL 2D games aren’t as floaty as smash, thus if there was DI it’d happen too quicky to matter, it’d also be really hard for the opponent on the offense to actually catch someone who’s DI’ng away during your combo (of course this would vary with each game).

You would have to make a whole new 2D fighting game with the mechanics of DI in mind, and it’d just end up being like smash without the falling off of stages. Someone could try it, but it seems like a whole lot of effort to go to just to add some pointless Smash mechanic that serves no other real purpose other than to satisfy your ‘What if?’ ideas.

Also, in Smash you can tech, but the more damage you’ve accumulated the longer it takes before you can tech…this works because Smash is based around damage percentages and ringing people out, not reducing their health to zero. So what, in this magical 2D fighting game you’re talking about, the lower someones health is, the longer they can’t tech?

That sounds retarded. The only thing I can think of is having a ‘tech’ meter similar to a stun or guard break bar, but the problem is that it would have to work on the same basis–accumulated damage/hits. Sorry man, it’s retarded.

DI’ing would also look really retarded might I add. Imagine being jabbed out of the air, then magically floating away while your opponent thinks “Wtf! I only jabbed you!” while chasing after your floaty ass.

Think you idiot, think! Do you even know the mechanics of your own game? Luckily I used to play Smash so I know how the game works, keep your scrubby ideas to yourself until you actually figure out how fighting games work. Oh, and this post is harsh because you dissed GG and KI and had the audacity to call a proper and practical mechanic (for REAL 2D fighting games) a ‘gimmick’, fool. Many 2D games use the idea of a Burst now, but I guess your idea of DI’ing is way better riet?

Fool.

This

[Rioting_Soul]

[Smash players are all like, "erk, derk, kerk!"
But Street Fighter players are all like, “ohhhh, ohhhh, awww yeah…”

AM I RIGHT?!](http://www.feanor.net/z0r/shock/whiteblack.swf)

[JJB727]

its not that I’m taking it too seriously, its just annoying to see that you have teching and the opponent can still guard break you. thats nonsense! why even have it then? If you’re gonna have some defensive move, make it work right. So if I get fierce-grabbed by magneto (the ice grab thing), I tech-hit that, but then Im in normal jump mode all the sudden and from there I can get guard broken. Yeah, REAL USEFUL! If i ever make a game, Imma make it so that tech-hitting pushes you way far back so that you can’t follow me for a while.