Dhalsim's Matchups

[MixupMaster]

im beating most ryus and kens but ocasionally i get a few that destroy me usually bcuz their aggresive and are experienced against sim,i have around 5000GP and think im pretty good but i just just can beat the aggressive 1s,also geif is giving me the worst time of my life.im 1-9 on champ mode againt them wit sim(i counted-.-)he gets in on me and then i get flusterd cuz i dont kno what to do,usually i jump away and accedentaly use f.air into his larriat (eventhough i should use medium kick or light kick)then im right back where i started… Next to geif!!!

[MixupMaster]

Down-back+jab~short means hold down-back and then press jab followed immediately by short, with the timing of the button presses being like the timing of quickly drumming your fingers out of boredom. If you do it right, it always comes out as a down-back+lp unless the opponent presses throw just before or as you press your input, in which case your input will come out as a throw tech so that you escape the opponent’s throw. This is what’s known as an option-select; you input one command with two possible outcomes, and the game selects the best outcome for you.

Same deal with down-back+strong~jab+short. Hold down-back and then press mp immediately followed lp+lk with that same very fast drumming timing. If the opponent doesn’t try a throw, it’ll come out as down-back+mp, but if he does, you’ll tech his throw.

This is good against dive kick pressure for a few reasons. The first is that holding down-back lets you block both a dive kick (it doesn’t count as an overhead attack, so it can be blocked low) and a low kick. The second is that if you try the strong or jab option selects and Rufus is attacking with dive kick or whatever, your move will at least trade with his attack. The third is that if Rufus stops attacking and goes for a throw, you’ll tech his throw attempt. This still isn’t a perfect solution, since if you try either option select at the wrong time, like such that your attack is in its startup or recovery frames when Rufus actually attacks you, you can still get hit. But in my opinion, crouch blocking and doing the occasional option select down-back+jab or strong/throw is probably your best bet.

u have offically given me the most useful sim infomation period:looney:.XD

[System_1]

I’m no expert but:

1. If he times it at the correct range, I’ll probably just block it and then go do something else (whether it be a close range normal, or a backdash, or whatever).

If he screws up the timing, or is not at the right range, you can punish with B+HK or cr fierce.

2. I usually just jump back and either use an air attack or teleport. After the block of course. Although this can get you hit by st roundhouse I believe if you don’t time it right.

I’m sure David will know exactly what to do though, so I can’t wait for his response (talk about being thorough!)

I can’t either, lol.

[Amsalp]

Hi i got so much trouble against this kind of honda…

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I really dont know what to do against his “spam superman trick”.
Any tips?

thanks

After block, I usually do b.roundhouse and it hits them.

im beating most ryus and kens but ocasionally i get a few that destroy me usually bcuz their aggresive and are experienced against sim,i have around 5000GP and think im pretty good but i just just can beat the aggressive 1s,also geif is giving me the worst time of my life.im 1-9 on champ mode againt them wit sim(i counted-.-)he gets in on me and then i get flusterd cuz i dont kno what to do,usually i jump away and accedentaly use f.air into his larriat (eventhough i should use medium kick or light kick)then im right back where i started… Next to geif!!!

Don’t just throw out f.air at him randomly. First get away from him at the beginning of the match, if he uses that hand move then hit him with B.Roundhouse (depending on the distance though if he misses that glowing hand move, he’ll probably command throw you). Keep using yoga fire and throwing F. punches/M.kicks

[phenomenhong]

im beating most ryus and kens but ocasionally i get a few that destroy me usually bcuz their aggresive and are experienced against sim,i have around 5000GP and think im pretty good but i just just can beat the aggressive 1s,also geif is giving me the worst time of my life.im 1-9 on champ mode againt them wit sim(i counted-.-)he gets in on me and then i get flusterd cuz i dont kno what to do,usually i jump away and accedentaly use f.air into his larriat (eventhough i should use medium kick or light kick)then im right back where i started… Next to geif!!!

I’m trying to kick this habit too (I’m only around 2800 GP btw). For some reason, I keep j.HP the lariat even though I know I shouldn’t. I guess my hands act before my brain haha. I used to have a lot of trouble against Gief but I’m starting to understand how to play him and having been going 5-5 if not 6-4 against Giefs on Championship Mode. I’m usually pretty conservative with my pokes (especially in the air) and always try to have a jab fire out when he’s out of jumping range.

If he’s spamming the lariat (and I’m impatient) sometimes I’ll j. back-fierce and aim for his head. May not be the best idea of it works haha. If I’m cornered I’ll either: a) teleport if he’s attempting a cross-up or slide->throw if he’s lariat-ing.

And on a side note, I’ve seen you while lurking the SD threads. See you at the RanBat on Friday haha.

[MixupMaster]

I’m trying to kick this habit too (I’m only around 2800 GP btw). For some reason, I keep j.HP the lariat even though I know I shouldn’t. I guess my hands act before my brain haha. I used to have a lot of trouble against Gief but I’m starting to understand how to play him and having been going 5-5 if not 6-4 against Giefs on Championship Mode. I’m usually pretty conservative with my pokes (especially in the air) and always try to have a jab fire out when he’s out of jumping range.

If he’s spamming the lariat (and I’m impatient) sometimes I’ll j. back-fierce and aim for his head. May not be the best idea of it works haha. If I’m cornered I’ll either: a) teleport if he’s attempting a cross-up or slide->throw if he’s lariat-ing.

And on a side note, I’ve seen you while lurking the SD threads. See you at the RanBat on Friday haha.

mos def my name is darran,i post alot cuz im very inqusitive but it usually leads to bad feedback and arguments.

[Randomness]

If I’m cornered I’ll either: a) teleport if he’s attempting a cross-up or slide->throw if he’s lariat-ing.

slide>throw doesn’t work well against a good gief, he can punish you with an spd before you get your throw.

[MrBuster]

To put a lariat happy zangief on his toes. Use J.HK… I shit you not, it’s stuffs the shit out of lariats. You do that a few times and then you’ll notice the gief player hold the Down-back, feeling like his world has been shattered.

Seriously J.HK works.

[Serpentine]

d.XX hits Geif out of Lariat. Sweep, FP, whatever, it’ll hit. He cant quick stand after a sweep either so you can run away.

Slide>Throw works maybe a few times against good Geifs, but after a while they’ll catch on and either SPD or tech.

[System_1]

Oddly enough, if Gief spams PPP lariat on you (even in the corner), you can hit him with DB+MK over and over again without getting hit. Has only happen to me once (since any good gief will use KKK lariat), but it was funny getting 4 DB+MKs off in a row before he figured out what was going on.

[Hardc0re]

you can hit him with DB+anything in fact

[elixproject]

Oddly enough, if Gief spams PPP lariat on you (even in the corner), you can hit him with DB+MK over and over again without getting hit. Has only happen to me once (since any good gief will use KKK lariat), but it was funny getting 4 DB+MKs off in a row before he figured out what was going on.

Zangief is just too strong vs. Dhalsim period!

Even if you have 100 percent health with Dhalsim. Once Zangief knocks you down you can pretty much say it’s a guaranteed win for the Zangief player.

Once in a while you can get lucky and get out of the lariat lariat lariat, green glove green glove green glove green glove, body splash body splash body splash cross-up situation though. :party:

[Hardc0re]

just block green glove and throw

[elixproject]

just block green glove and throw

Hard to throw when Zangief’s green glove is followed by a lariat, low short or medium kick, pile driver (maybe I’m just timing it wrong).

I’ve also noticed that there are not many videos of Dhalsim vs. Zangief. Anyone have good videos vs. a good Zangief player?

[Hardc0re]

Actually you can smash the throw while blocking green hand and in the worst case scenario, he’ll tech it.

Try it, It’s because green hand has a weird animation/hitbox, but you actually recover from blockstun faster than you realize (more or less like Cammy’s Cannon Drill)

[System_1]

As Hardcore has stated, Green Glove is terribly punishable on block, so block-throw works, unless you get teched.

If you do get knocked down, and he simply tries to lariat you (or crossup then lariat), just block. As long as you aren’t in the corner, you can block the first couple hits of the lariat (depending on which one it is), and then backdash out of lariat range.

Its not over once you get knocked down… as long as you aren’t in the corner.

[elixproject]

Thanks for the tips guys.

Yes foofmonger what I meant was once you are in the corner vs. Zangief.

[rattlejaw]

I don’t think you can tech a throw after most of the green hands, unless that throw is entered very late. There definitely seems to be enough disadvantage on block to guarantee it (that or the timing is really, really tight).

How do techs work in situations where you’re at, say, -10 and whatnot?

[TheRealKungFuJo]

I love the giefs who open up with a green hand at the start of a match. Easy throw.

[MixupMaster]

how do i play against a very defensive sagat?