hmm, i am going to look at my mas supernova pin out, i don’t think it is the same as the neo-geo/supergun pinout.
Unless it was built for A Neo-Geo specifically the pin out is different.
Hmmm, as far as the male/female connectors go, they most certainly are not rare. I could walk into any radio shack and buy a slew of them, and they’re reasily available through just about any online electronics vendor, as well.
I can’t comment on the DB15 cables though. I’ve never had any need for them, and as such, aren’t aware of their availability, diminished or not…
2 row DB15’s or 3 row DB15’s?
Every radio shack I have ever been in only has the hi-density 3 row DB15, Witch is not what we want.
Both two and three row D-sub connectors. I always bought the high-density ones myself, but only because I never had to interface with anything other than my own project boxes. Heh, I thought they looked nicer, and that was my only reason for choosing them over the two-row versions. 
Anyway. even if you can’t find them locally, for whatever reasons, there are still numerous online and mail-order channels through which you may find and purchase them. I understand that they might slowly be phased out of some vendor’s catalogs to make way for other methods, but I think that there will very likely always be some place that you can go to find these sorts of things. Someone, somewhere will understand that they can cater to a niche market by carrying them. And considering how many hobbyists there are, I don’t have any fears of them disappearing forever.
But Hell, I’ve been wrong before.
When people were making multi-system arcade sticks ‘back in the day’ (Saturn, SNES, etc) and they were using molex connectors because even though they were being phased out, you could find them ‘everywhere.’
Try to find molex connectors anywhere that are compatible with multi-system arcade sticks that were made using molex just 3 or 4 years ago.
What connector could we use that would never, ever be phased out of sellers’ supply? Be it CAT5, molex, or serial, the exact specifications will eventually change, if not disappearing entirely.
If there was evidence that the d-subs were in danger of drying up, then I’d agree that this point is well worth going over; but I just don’t think that they are. And amongst the aforementioned methods, my money is on D-sub to last the longest in ready supply.
The worries of where to get cable for the larger d-subs should be addressed. I have actually never tried to find thm, so I do not know who has them and who does not. I will look into it.
However, I will restate that one of the benefits of DB15 and larger is that they can support the project box by themselves. So with proper planning in regards to case dimensions and box size, direct mounting is easy and eliminates the need for a cable.
Sweet jesus jiminy fucking christmas, we get the point. You don’t like the idea of external encoders using DB connectors. Youve said that, multiple times, and continue with this ‘damn you’re all stupid because you’re not doing it my way’ bullshit. If you’re right, then shut you’re fucking trap and laugh at all of us when we finally come to the conclusion you’re right. That aught to appeal to your sense of superiority, but I dont care as long as the trap shutting takes place.
And I dare you to pull up a picture of even a 5 year old molex connector that can’t be gotten anymore. Just because you’re local radio shack doesnt have them doesnt mean they arent out there.
Some people after my post are still set in the 6 button mindset, so Im quoting from my old post for emphasis; I wanted feedback from others about the idea for supporting 8 buttons.
Someone mentioned systems that dont have a 'select’ish button like the DC. Id just like to point out that using the ‘select’ button on the stick activate both short and start (a taunt button) is really easy to do.
lastly, 15 male on the encoder, 15 pin female on the stickbox, so the sex of the connections matches neogeo as well.
15 pin connections, and even super high quality 15 pin cables are readily available. They’re used for MIDI connections with instruments like, uh, synthesizer keyboards. (Sorry, not musically inclined at all) Or just hit ebay or the like for PC joystick extensions which are damn cheap.
Ok, seriously, this is the last thing. Using such a wiring system would make an adapter to PC MIDI joystick really easy. If Im remembering right, like 2 transisters, 6 resisters, and a couple of diodes. I have a schematic drawn out at the house, and just havent gotten around the making it. Itll be at least two months until I can, but I just wanted to throw that out there. Due to limitations in the MIDI joystick design, it is limited to a TOTAL of 6 buttons, including start and select. so you could use it for street fighter, but would have to reach over to the keyboard to hit start or put in coins. GG#Reload would work fine. If you didnt want to make a MIDI connection, a USB encoder box could always be made and support your stick fully.
I talk to hear myself speak. Haven’t you figured that out yet?
But unfortunately we can hear your dribble.
I think we covered all the issues with external project boxes. I have noted all my points (my main points being gender on the stick and box and the specific DB15 3 row or 2 row). I am happy rewriring my sticks and boxes to follow any format we choose.
I feel we should set up a poll, with possible choices. I think discussion can rave on forever.
I agree, that’s why I said Neogeo/Supergun should be the standard.
Although, I will happily argue with whomever wants to continue nitpicking.
I’m changing my opinion.
As much as I like the neo_geo set up I think we should use DB25’s instead.
This simply gives us maximum compatibility & room to expand in the future.
This is what I like,
Top Row
1-Ground
2- +5
3-N/C
4-N/C
5-up
6-right
7-down
8-left
9-N/C
10-N/C
11-start
12-select
13-N/C
Bottom Row
14-button 1
15-button 2
16-button 3
17-button 4
18-button 5
19-button 6
20-button 7
21-button 8
22-N/C
23-N/C
24-Ground (If needed/desired)
25- +5 (If needed/desired)
I feel this should cover all existing controlers & has some room to expand in the future.
Thoughts?
hhhhmmm…Sorry dummyface I ain’t sold on the idea of DB25, yeah having expantion in place is a good thing only if you can see short comings in the current approach, otherwise its a case of lets leave a few extra connectors just in case (we should be using DB10000 to make us future proof). I am only pushing my point because I don’t wanna go DB25, I don’t like the size and for fighting games 6 buttons is the current upper bound and IMO will remain the upperbound.
I don’t really care how many buttons are on a control pad, as the arcade stick is not meant to be a control pad replacement, its meant bring the arcade feel to console games, on that argument 6 buttons is enough. If you want to replicate all the buttons on a pad, don’t forget about my atari jaguar.
Well in my opinion you don’t need any more than 4. :bgrin:
But some have expressed they want sticks with all 8 buttons functional.
Now i’m not saying i’m right or wrong here, It’s just something I was thinking about & decided to throw it out there.
Bump
I’m wiring another stick, we have a standard or what? or am i stick to my adhoc standard
Use Neogeo/Supergun.
i say you guys should go with the db25. although no fighting games will require no more than a start and 6 buttons, but when you have the other buttons like select you can soft reset. i thought i dind’t needed this when i sodered my pad without it, i find it quite annoying with it not being there. and the other two is for some games that might required it to pick secret characters. one game comes to mind is guilty gear x2. picking those SP and EX characters would require L1 L2 (and yes i realize those characters are useless but if you’re plyaing for fun with friends, it keeps the game more interesting). and other reasons that have been mentioned before. besides it’s not that unsightly.
Been meaning to bump this all week.
Here’s what I’ve been playing around with. Again, actual pinout number is arbitrary; I just listed it this way because it would be easy to read.
- Down
- Right
- Left
- Up
- +5v
- Start
- Select
- Button 1
- Button 2
- Button 3
- Button 4
- Button 5
- Button 6
- Button 7
- Button 8
And the ground is run through the D-Sub casing itself, meaning that I can pull as many separate wires off of it as I want.
We lose the NG and supergun stuff, but I’d just build a project box like any other that simply switches the pinout to the NG format. I’ma build encoder boxes for everything else anyway, so if I needed the NG format I’d just plug the box in, same as any other console.
For SRK, I gather that it is more important to support current consoles in the most straight forward way possible than it is to retain the simplest compatibilty to the less common supergun stuff. And again, we don’t lose compatibilty with it, we just need $12 worth of parts to re-route the pinout.
that’s fine as long as all grounds are common. but what happens if there are 2+ groungs? correct me if i’m wrong (i don’t know much about electrical stuff) but h-series pad have two grounds and from what i know, you can’t mix those. and wouldn’t soldering it to the case the two different ground mixing it?
edit: h series have 1 ground
Maybe, if we run into a required 2-ground situation, but we’d be just as fucked with any other 1 ground pinout.
Also, I dunno how many grounds the H has, but I’ve always just ran everything off of one, and I’ve been just fine.