Dealing with the twins in AE

[btfu88]

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I’m sure its just me not knowing the matchup, but I’ve now heard gootecks, daigo, and justin wong say Balrog beats yun. I just want to know why this is? I have a shit ton of trouble against him and can’t understand what they are talking about.

Is it his st.jab for AA? some other AA option he has that im not using because c.hp isn’t working for me? is it cause c.lp can punish somethin other characters cant. Just want to know why EVERY pro says it is in Balrog’s favor when he can dive kick the shit out of my c.hk. Thanks for the help, really need to know what I’m doing wrong.
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[3nigmat1c]

I think i’m still in the same boat with you, but out of the twins I know that Yun has a harder time dealing with a really defensive rog. Yun doesn’t have any decent safe chip to deter rog from blocking, teching throws, and generally punishing attempts at tick throws with his command grab. Dive kick-wise, Yun’s is ass, cr.mp or st.lp are your best AAs, cr.hp just has a bad hitbox to AA the dive kicks since you have to hit behind the hitbox, cr.mp works great for Yun, for Yang you pretty much can ONLY AA with st.lp.

In general, although Yun’s rushdown is really good, it doesn’t cause any chip damage, so you can mash down-back and punish him when he forgets that the last hit of his st.mp xx st.hp xx b+hp target combo isn’t a blockstring and you headbutt/ultra through it. Yang doesn’t have that problem…don’t sleep on him.

[btfu88]

so you can mash down-back and punish him when he forgets that the last hit of his st.mp xx st.hp xx b+hp target combo isn’t a blockstring and you headbutt/ultra through it.

And what if you play against a yun that isnt a scrub cuz you can definitely hit confirm and stop the tc before b+hp and still be safe. He has too many options!Thanks for the help tho and ill try to use c.mp more and see how that works out

[purbeast]

i’ve been facing some fairly decent yuns recently, and i’ve noticed the greatest strength balrog has against yun is good spacing. if you keep the range against yun that is like JUST outside of dive kick range, yun really can’t do much to you. and yes i know that is a lot harder said than done, but that seems to be working pretty well for me. i’ve also been having decent luck with cr.mp as an anti dive kick method when spaced correctly. when facing yun i also have been using st.fk a lot, especially when in this range and they do a dive kick in, i’ll do that right as they are landing and a lot of the time i will get counter hits.

[3nigmat1c]

@btfu88, true. I’m just saying that yuns rushdown doesn’t cause chip damage which 9/10 means that if you can tech throws and block right, then he has nothing to threaten you with safely, his only safe chip damage is ex.lunge and he needs the meter for GJ, also he can’t afford to eat a headbutt into ultra attempting to tick throw afterwards…at least not too many times.

@purebeast, cr.mp is nice against yun’s dive kick, doesn’t work against yangs though :[ Also nj.hp theoretically does wonders when your right inside dive kick range. Yun has to space his dive kicks perfectly for them to be safe on block, so wiggle nj.hp really makes it hard to space a dive kick safely, i think.

[3nigmat1c]

"Gettin' that Bike $!" AE Balrog Match-up Thread

Alright, i had the opportunity to play Yun for a while (not a Yun main unfortunately) and i think i’ve realized how to beat the character (not the player). None of this goes for Yang who IMO is a much different character archetype.

As a character, Yun doesn’t have any repeatable, relatively safe chip damage option. This is why he’s so safe on everything else. As a character, the ONLY thing Yun has to scare any character is command throw which has significantly more range than Yang’s and is on par with 2f grab Ultras (Guy, Honda, Ibuki etc). Lunge punches are unsafe up close and usually shoulders and blockstrings like Guy’s. Yun is an offensive beast, he can press buttons and because he’s safe and has target combos, it generally means you can’t press a button or ex.dash, also you can’t headbutt because that’s what he wants you to do as he’s pausing in his blockstrings.

What I feel that usually happens in the Yun matchup is that he backdashes and starts palming to build meter, and since Balrog has extra recovery on headbutt, he can’t do this. Look at it this way, he’s going to get super, so by getting frustrated and giving away life you’re going to make him get there faster and not have enough life to survive a Genji Jin combo. In this situation what you should do is edge forward, well out of normal range, but in the range where you can react to or punish lunge punches on block. Don’t press any buttons but sit there. Eventually he’ll stop either because it feels unsafe, or he has super.

At this point when you see an opening in the neutral game, you want to close space as quick as possible with a dash punch ballsy TAP or whatever, and rush down. Yun has almost perfect offense, but very little character defense. He doesn’t have a get off me tool (like Yang’s [FONT=sans-serif][COLOR=#dddddd]Kaihou which is practically a short range teleport) and his dragon kicks whiff on crouching Balrog. Rush him down as quick as possible, getting both chip damage and tick throwing. As a character, i think Yun’s bad matchups are fireball zoners and grapplers. With Balrog you can emulate that kind of playstyle with normal throws and lp.ds. And that’s how you win, i think.

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[Deikan]

If you watch a Balrog vs Rufus match, you should fight the twins exactly like that. His strongest tools are his crouching fierce, Jump back fierce, standing medium and roundhouse.

Fighting the twins with Balrog is like fighting Rufus. take this video for an example, it doesn’t feature the twins but it features Rufus, a character similar to them in certain aspects.

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