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52

[details=Spoiler]Welcome to my last Spoilers for 52, and I hope that you have enjoyed the ride and appreciate all the hard work that DC has done to provide us with such a ride and in a timely fashion week after week. Before I begin I would like to ask that we keep the conversations generated from these Spoilers to this thread until tomorrow, Wednesday, when the book comes out and is available as some readers do not want to have their reading of 52 Spoiled and my intent is to provide Spoiler ONLY to those that want Spoilers. It is also my hopes that the Spoilers will inspire you to buy the book if you are not already doing so as my Spoilers are just words and there is a lot more to a comic book than just words and the Spoilers can not replace the hard work that the art staff for 52 has provided nor replace the writing of the book itself.

So, lets all give Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid, Keith Giffen, J.G. Jones, Alex Sinclair, Stephen Wacker, Michael Siglain, Dan Didio and all of those not mentioned a hand for a job well done. Thank you all.

52 Week 52

A Year in the Life

Written by Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka and Mark Waid.
Art Breakdowns by Keith Giffen
Pencils by Mike McKone, Justiniano, Eddy Barrows, Chris Batista, Pat Olliffe and Darick Robertson

Week 0, Day 0
Rip, Booster, the head of Red Tornado and the remains of Skeets are traveling in time to a year ago when the Multiverse was created. Rip explains to Booster that when all of the Earths collapsed back into one another after Conner Kent sacrificed his life to save our reality creating New Earth that in a cosmic act of self-preservation, as you just saw, it began replicating. There are 52 identical Earths in 52 identical cosmos all occupying the same space and each on their own vibrational plane. What Red Tornado saw was the same thing that Rip had seen being the creation of the multiverse and his computer brain had mapped it.

A giant Mr. Mind appears behind the Time Sphere. He tells Rip and Booster that he will be the dominant life form not only on Earth but on all Earths. Mr. Mind then regurgitates the Phantom Zone towards the Time Sphere looking to trap Rip and Booster in the Phantom Zone. Supernova then appears and is hit with the blast, from Mr. Mind saving the Time Sphere. Rip then turns to Booster and informs him that the technology in the Supernova suit is able to deflect and restore the Phantom Zone to its proper dimensional plane. When questioned by Booster about Supernova, Rip tells him and Supernova takes off his mask that it is his ancestor Daniel Carter in the suit. Rip explains to Booster how Daniel got imprisoned in endless time loop of 52 seconds stolen from Earths timeline and that he moved the time loop into the time stream in which they are at. Rip also informs Booster that he gave Daniel the Supernova suit because its keyed to the Carter genetic code. Mr. Mind then starts to alter his vibrational frequency to try and tear the Time Sphere apart. Rip has Red Tornado match Mr. Minds frequency for an Earth jump which ends up taking the Time Sphere and Mr. Mind to Earth 17. Upon their arrival Mr. Mind starts eating years and events from this universes history altering the Earth. Red Tornado makes another Earth jump leaving the present Metropolis in shambles with knights riding on big dog like creatures.

Next they arrive at Earth 3 and spot the JLA. Mr. Mind starts eating and altering events causing the creation of the Crime Society. Earth 10 is shown with the Freedom Fighters, Earth 50 is the Wildstorm Universe, Earth 5 is the Marvel Universe, Earth 22 is the Kingdom Come universe, Earth 2 is Earth 2 and Earth 4 is the Charleston universe.

Rip then informs Daniel and Booster that they need to trap Mr. Mind because if he spawns where they are at that Hyperflies will devour the consciousness of every living thing, and leave all of creation to rot in mindless darkness forever. Booster then starts to doubt himself and what he can do when what little is left of Skeets tells him that he has the utmost faith in you. Booster quickly pulls himself together and grabs a hold of Skeets and tells Rip One thing I do know is where to find the kind of energy source we need and then jumps in time. Once Booster is gone, Rip finishes gearing up and jumps in time himself.

Booster makes his arrive on New Earth the day after the first Crisis. He appears behind Blue Beetle looking for his amulet in the debris of some ruined buildings. Booster tells Beetle that he bets it turns up just where you least expect it. When Beetle turns back around Booster is gone.

At the house of the Sivana Family, Sivana is gathering his family together to get into the Suspendium Globe to save them from what Sivana suspects will happen. Rip then appears and shoots Sivana in the leg and takes off with the Suspendium Globe himself.

Both Rip and Booster arrive back at the Time Sphere. Rip uses the Suspendium Globe to attract the Hyperflies as artificial time. This stuff works like crack cocaine on a hyperfly. Rip and Booster then use the Beetle Amulet to give the Supernova suit an extra power source to get Mr. Minds attention by creating a giant flash and then they disappear.

The Time Sphere returns to Rips lab at which time Rip starts to work on Skeets. Mr. Mind then makes his presence but he is much smaller upon his arrival starts to grow. Rip hands Skeets to Booster and tells him that he has reinforced his shell with Suspendium to help imprison him. Booster jumps towards Mr. Mind with Skeets half opened and slams Skeets closed with Mr. Mind trapped inside. Rip tells Booster that The faster and harder it moves against the Time Stream, the more Chronal Energy the Suspendium will pick up. Move it with enough force and it becomes the only thing that can save the Multiversea Time Bomb that will end the threat of Mr. Mind. Booster takes Skeets and throws him into the open hole in time telling Daniel to go long. Daniel/Supernova jumps in after it and heads back in time; Danny, Rips calculated the exact time and place Mind has to end up! While passing Week 2 Day 1 it is shown where Mr. Mind entered Skeets in Magnus lab. Supernova continues back and grabs a hold of Skeets and spikes him into the ground in the desert on Week 1 Day 1.

Having heard the noise of the Time Bomb, Sivana goes to see what it was. As he approaches the crater of the explosion, Sivana notices Mr. Mind and picks him places him in a sealed tube.

Supernova then pops back out through the time hole and into Rips lab. Rip tells Daniel and Booster that no one can know what happened.
Booster: Hell with that. Modestys for the forgotten. Im gonna make damn sure that everyone knows who rescued their asses.
Rip: Is there not enough credit in all of time and space to make you happy? Will you not rest until history finally recognizes that Booster Gold saved the—
Booster: Not me. Skeets. Its not fair. He ought to be remembered. He was my best friend.
Rip: Is. While I was reinforcing him with Suspendium, I copied his mem-self into a leftover responsometer. Its crudebut we both know who can do the full restoration.
Rip Booster and Supernova then get into the Time Sphere and enter the Time Stream showing off the Multiverse and its different worlds.

Week 52, Day 6
Checkmate HQ: A Task Force is proposed to the creation of capturing Teth-Amon
Metropolis, Steelworks:
Natasha: Did they say what happened to Infinity Inc? No ones seen them
John: You ask me, Nat theyre long gone.
Kahndaq: A hand is seen reaching down for the Amulet of Isis which is sitting in some flowers.
Washington DC, Department of Metahuman Affairs: Nemesis and Agent Prince are in Sarge Steels office.
Sarge: theyre tagging him the Most Wanted Mortal in the World. Someone will find Black Adam but I pray that someone isnt us.
In an Arabic city you see a pair of legs with crocodile boots on.

Golden Rule Preschool, Sheffield Alabama: A huge fiery hole is in the center of a class room floor with the teacher showing two men a stack of pictures that all of her students drew just before the fiery hole happened. The spectral forms of Ralph and Sue are shown floating by the pit. Sue looks at Ralph and says Honey, your nose is twitching

Magnuss House: Magnus is working on Skeets and tells Booster that before he fixed him, he had made a backup copy of his records and that he will remember everything except for the past year. Skeets is closes up and back to normal.

Week 52, Day 7
Gotham City: A razor is shown scrapping off the question mark on the Bat-Signal and replaced with the Bat-symbol. The person fixing the Bat-Signal is shown to be Renee in the Question outfit.
Meanwhile inside of Kates apartment, Kate is being visited by a doctor. She is told that she is recovering quickly but it will still take time. When asked if she remembers how she was stabbed or who brought her to the ER, Kate tells her no. The doctor leaves the apartment and when Kate closes the door her apartment lights up from the light of the Bat-signal. Kate looks out her window and sees Renee/Question standing by the Bat signal.
Renee: I have a question. Are you ready?

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credit goes to mazingman at the dc forums

I just want to comment on one small thing:

above spoiler

[details=Spoiler]I certainly hate the idea that characters are split off on new earths.

in that I mean the Marvels live on a different earth, the Charltons live on a different earth, etc.

it will just make for huge messes…I want the Marvels in JSA, and I want the JSA and the JLA to inhabit the SAME earth…that’s what COIE did, and it made things EASIER…it made it a UNIverse.[/details]

Please use spoiler tags when commenting on a spoiler… thanks.

I edited Taichi’s post to use a spoiler tag, using my powers for good! Now just grab a Men in Black Nueralizer and forget you read the post and you’re cool. :rofl:

Thanks! …but the damage is done :-(. Its okay though, since it was kind of what was speculated earlier. Hopefully it doesn’t ruin the last issue for me.

damn, I meant to re-edit it with spoiler tags, but my power went out before I could.

Really very sorry, CH.
:frowning:

No prob. It wouldn’t be too surprising anyways since some people were already speculating it. I just keep thinking about it now, haha. No big deal.

I’ll update 52 Poo when I get a free minute but yeah, DC actually managed to pull it off, a new comic every week for one year. And now they are about to go nuts extending this for another year with Countdown. So I just have to give them all the props in the world for being able to do this. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

52 sucked. All the buildup for a really lame ass ending story. none of the stories in 52 actually delivered. Fuck DC. Marvel for life again.

Okay, I have some questions I’ll put in spoiler form:

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So, Taichi, don’t worry, your spoiler didn’t spoil much. I was much expecting other heroes to have been on different Earths this whole time (someone at another board speculated that Flash was on a different Earth since he didn’t interact much with other heroes in his book). The JSA and JLA are on the same world though, aren’t they? They’re currently working together in “The Lightning Saga”

Okay, here’s how I understand it

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[details=Spoiler]“New Earth” was unaffected by the multiverse (well, unaffected after the changes made in Infinite Crisis)…as such, the characters are NOT “Split Up”, rather, there are now “Alternate Universe” Versions of almost all of the characters, so the Flash, and all other regular DCU Titles appear in the NEW EARTH DCU.

Yes, there is a world for the Marvel Family, this is IN ADDITION TO, and SEPARATE FROM the Marvel Family we’ve been reading since 1985.

Same for the Charlton world.

I think the only exceptions are worlds that were never part of the DCU to begin with (Such as Kingdom Come, and Wildstorm).
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Makes sense, thanks.

52 POO!

ELIMINATED

Adam Warlock Week 52 - Adam Warlock didn’t like the last issue of 52. He didn’t like 52. At all. So it’s a good thing he didn’t win X-Force issue #1 because you wouldn’t want to compile a bad reading experience by recieving some crappy artwork as a prize. Hey in the end, we are all winners! Or so my gym coach used to tell me whenever I was the last one picked on a baseball team… oh nos flashbacks of 400 pound Suzy getting picked before me all over again and then being placed in the new position far right Outfield… :rofl:

I’m glad Adam Warlock posted up that he didn’t like to 52 because I was gonna go and do some kind of Infinity Gauntlet joke with Liefeld’s artwork breaking the Reality Gem which I would very nerdily research for 10 minutes of my free time how that would be possible but ohs well. :looney:

FINAL STATS!

Sing along now, “Oh I believe in yesterday…”

AzN_Skater - Week 17
Wellman - Week 24
The Damned - Week 26
Taichi - Week 27
Agmaster - Week 32
sano - Week 33
Deathscythe - Week 45
Zephyranthes - Week 47
Sheng-Long - Week 51
Adam Warlock - Week 52

The Winners - Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid, Keith Giffen, Dan Jurgens, Art Thibert and anyone else I forgot about or went uncredited for working on this book like all of the poor tempts that were tied to their chairs all night long to finish these issues on time! And of course, the big winner, Dan Didio. Curse you and your wanting to kill Nightwing Ass! You’ve won this time but next time I’ll shall have my revenge MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! J/K least he put Wolfman on Nightwing. :sweat:

Now it’s time for Zephyranthes to step up. He has to put X-Force #1 on his fridge for at least a week, this is the ultimate diet plan! :rofl: I want PICS!

I don’t think we have enough people for a 51 Countdown Pool, and if 52 Zero and 51 come out next week that’s like eliminating two people alreardy… well you can change your dates if you want but we need more people… or maybe a brand new pool of sorts…

Stuff I read this week.

Teen Titans - Hell yeah Nightwing was in it! Teen Titans old and new fighting against Deathstroke, this is the battle that SHOULD of gone down in Infinity Crisis. Damn Deathstroke’s the man. :rock:

Detective Comics - I have mastered the art of looking on the cover and seeing Dini’s name. No name on cover, me no buy. So this isn’t really something I read this week…

52 - I liked the last issue. The series had it’s ups and downs. Will the positive outweigh the negatives? I dunno, but to me the good stuff outweighs the bad. Could of been better and could of been more new reader friendly I feel. Oh well Dini will show them how it should be done in Countdown hopefully. What I liked most about the last issue -

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Holy crap Wildstorm being part of the DCU on a seperate Earth! That’s just… INSANE! Me like! :tup: On the flip side, I expected to learn more about Starfire other than what I got in the last ish - that she’s just resting up in someone’s crib ah man…

Someone at Newsarama was kind enough to make a map!

Someone asked me yesterday what the point of 52 was. Thinking about it for one moment after I let my powerful feelings over the final issue sink in, I told him that the point of 52 was change.

Let’s begin with one of the more drastically altered characters in the series: Renee Montoya. When 52 begins, she is little more than an alcoholic, wandering from various lovers and angry at herself for being powerless in bringing corrupt GCPD investigator Jim Corrigan to justice. Her faith in justice is shattered and she tries to ignore her sorrow by drowning it in vice. She has become aimless and a husk of her former self. When she first meets Vic “The Question” Sage, he continually goads her into investigating Intergang’s presence in Gotham City. At first she finds Vic annoying and is reluctant to do any more detective work, but as she stumbles upon a criminal conspiracy that seeks to decimate all of Gotham, she finds the drive within herself to stop running away from her problems and to become the detective she once was. She rediscovers her true love in Kate Kane, who also happens to be the new Batwoman and is inspired by the Question to become a hero. Vic Sage passes away, leaving his mantle to Renee who has now become worthy of his identity.

People unfairly criticized this storyline because they didn’t like the idea of Renee usurping Vic, but the truth is that this is a move which honors both characters. “Legacies” are an important part of the DC universe. Save for the big three, characters who pass their identities to others are among the most beloved DC heroes. The Flash, Green Lantern, Starman, Mr. Terrific, Sandman and Blue Beetle are among the heroes who were so great, that they inspired others to follow in their footsteps. Renee Montoya becoming the new Question doesn’t mean that Vic needed to be replaced. It means that Vic was so damn great that he has an honorable legacy which he is now passing down to another person. After Renee’s change into the Question, let’s look at another person becoming the detective he once was.

Ralph Dibny was also left devastated after the Crisis. His beloved wife Sue passed away years ago, and in this new world of endless possibility where deaths are cosmically retconned, why not Sue? These questions lead Ralph to unearth another conspiracy, this one hidden beneath the veil of the Tenth Age of Magic. When he begins 52, he is a depressed and angry man. However, after his journey through realms he’s never seen before, after deducing the truth behind one large mystery, Ralph once again became the proud detective, the proud hero he used to be. Having overcome his grief with the world, he is able to return to his beloved wife.

Black Adam used to be a despot who especially loathed humanity. Adam was never an evil man: he sincerely cared for the welfare of his people in Kahndaq, but was this out of genuine compassion or of his noblisse oblige? As soon as he meets Isis, the woman who would become his wife, he gradually changed into a man whose heart was filled with warmth. He gains a family again, and he gains a better reputation known around the world. Unfortunately, the powers that be have it in for Adam, with both the US government and Intergang seeking to ruin his life. After his new family is murdered, Black Adam stays much the same man as he was before 52 started. This is one of the more tragic changes, as in the end Black Adam hasn’t changed much at all: now he is motivated by two lifetimes worth of tragedy.

Meanwhile in the depths of space, Lobo is struggling with his new identity as a pacifist and Buddy Baker is desperately trying to get back to his wife Ellen. The character development in these stories were fairly tame. Animal Man gained some new powers and returned to his wife, while Lobo decided to drop the pacifist act by murdering the Triple Fish God, but the theme of change is prevalent in even these stories.

Natasha Irons wants nothing more than to prove herself as a hero. She enlists in Lex Luthor’s Everyman project so she can bypass her uncle John’s philosophy of work ethic and wants to become the hero she’s always wanted to be now. In fact, thousands of ordinary people become changed, although it seems that most of the Everyman ranks want nothing more than fame and fortune through superheroing. Unfortunately for Natasha, the Everyman project is a sham and she displays her heroism by helping to expose it. She later regains her Steel suit and, fighting along side John Henry, she has also changed.

Finally, we come to who is arguably 52’s lead character. Booster Gold was originally a washed up football player who came to the 20th century in order to amass the fortune and fame that eluded him in life. Booster was involved in some acts of heroism before and is a prior member of the Justice League, but he doesn’t begin to take center stage until the beginning of the Crisis. When Booster loses his friends Ted and Skeets, he returns from the future again to set things right. It is right about the time 52 starts that Booster is called upon to become a greater hero than he’s ever been. He changes from a oafish jock to a noble hero. The irony is that now no one in the DCU can know of Booster’s true nature should any time traveling villain seek to undo Booster’s efforts, but the most significant change in his story is that Booster is okay with that.

Some people have knocked the revelation of Mr. Mind as the end boss of the series, but he’s the only villain they could have used. A popular symbol for change in art is the use of a butterfly. It’s natural then that the end boss of a story that is about change is the symbol for change: a giant monstrous butterfly. But the greatest change in 52 is that of the DCU itself. Having grown progressively dark and nihilist in the late 90s, it was feared that stories set in this universe, or in all of comic books would be doomed to the doom-and-gloom. Now, it is the sprawling multiverse it once was, and seemingly has aspired to become. There are other Earths where bright, optimistic and fun stories can be told again. But it is on our Earth, the New Earth, where stories tragic, horrifying, funny, heartwarming and inspiring can be told.

52 is awesome.

IT’s a given that 52 was about change. That was the entire premise before the first issue hit the stand. 52 however did not do what it was supposed to do and that is bridge the gap between IC and One Year Later. That was its entire purpose, to inform the reader of what occured during the gap. It did not do that. $130.00 later most of the One Year Later comics were still not addressed. As a consumer, I feel cheated. If I purchase a car, I expect to get a car. If I receive a mule that shits gold I am not satisfied because that isn’t what I paid for. 52 did not perform its advertised function.

Just about.

We got all of this change, but none of it pertained to IC itself(outside of Adam Strange, Animal Man, and Starfire). We only had like, one issue devoted to Batman(4 or 5 pages if you wanna be technical about it) and almost ZERO shit about Superman.

And like Adam said, none of the OYL stuff has been addressing the changes that happened. The only book to even go into it’s OYL explanation was Green Arrow. We know that Ollie went to his old island and started training with Hollie(New Speedy) and Conner. Everything else just moved forward one year and that was it. No backstory as to what happened.

As much as I love these obscure characters like Professor T.O. Morrow and Doc Magnus and the Metal Men, I can’t stand the fact that this was a cheap ploy to shove these characters down our throats. It was pretty obvious where this was going when Grant Morrison was one of the writers. And you know the guy loves writing the more weird characters of the DC Universe.

It did have a few good stories here and there. But, it wasn’t anything to mindblowing and universe altering. It was just a setup for Countdown. It’s all gonna intertwine eventually and I can see the original Question returning. No one stays dead. No one.

you mean like ww 3? :rofl: :rofl:

still avoiding 52 spoilers

I finished All Star Superman and damn if it didnt live up to the hype. This book rules. My favorite issue was either #3 or #4, although #6 was poignant as well. The arm wrestling though was great.