That is an interesting thought. This would also make it harder to ban it without affecting “legitimate” controllers…I think
Not at all - if I’m buying a stick that is advertised to work on both PS3 and 360, then it’s under my consumer rights for it to do so.
If Datel or Joytron don’t have any legal right to be selling something that has 360 encryption (so much so as to be blocked by MS in the future) then I want to know about it. Otherwise I might as well be buying a PS3 stick for 40.
can anyone post a video of this working with no lag (i dont trust datel…)
Has it been confirmed that Datel is behind the PCB? I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Mayflash (or Joytron).
If I was confident these sticks were made with M$'s blessing I’d definitely buy one of those PCBs. That’s just too compact! In fact, I’d throw one of those in a namco stick and have a jolly good time with it!
And the award goes to:
Where you been man??
I’ll bet money that the issue with 360 controllers is one of authentication, NOT encryption. The normal transmissions of the buttons and headset and everything else is unencrypted. I’m expecting there is a challenge code sent to the controller, which is sent to the security chip, which gives back the response code to the controller which is sent back to the Xbox360. It may be a public key signed type of challenge response, sure, but the normal transmissions are in the clear.
I’m pretty sure I saw an Xbox360 style breakaway on the video that got post. Not 100% sure, they didn’t show the cord for long.
I was planning on doing the same lag test I did with the wireless controllers when mine arrives.
Well, then you may be boned. There is no xbox security chip present on that board. Well, I supposed there is the remotest possibility that the 16 pin chip is a new version of the security chip, but it’d be unlike the security chip on every other Xbox360 peripheral ever made.
Main chip looks to be a :
http://www.st.com/mcu/devicedocs-STM32F103R6-110.html
I can’t make out enough on the 16 pin chip to identify it.
It’s not an officially licensed product. Caveat Emptor.
@Toodles- So let’s say that Microsoft DID create an update that would block use of this controller, do you think it is possible to make a dual mod using this PCB to controll the PS3 and adding a hacked 360 PCB? That way it won’t completely go to waste for those who would buy it. There would be an option for potential buyers who would be blocked out by a Microsoft update. What do you think?
Most likely, yes. I can’t verify that it’s a common ground board yet, but it certainly looks it.
Gentlemen, history has been made.
Toodles, what are the chances that you could figure out what sort of voodoo that board is doing if you had an extra to play around with?
I think Laugh confirmed that it was common ground in post#51. I think I might just order one.
I’ll know more when mine arrives. Then I’d have to probably build my own programmer for the ST ARM chips and see if that gets me anywhere. I just don’t know.
@ Paladincheese- I’m sure Toodles has been messing around with this idea for a long time. I think the problem is making it “update proof”.
It’s a shame that people are left to hack together their own 360 chips due to MS’s licencing regulations, as it would save a packet for the rest of us modders. I’m really interested in these new Datel PCB’s, but will hold off from purchasing some till I know what Microsoft’s response will be.
Nah man, Caveat Venditor
: )
All ‘Mayflash’ PCB’s have been common ground to date. For some reason, it’s been designed to look like the stick isn’t common ground due to all the unnecessary ‘quick disconnect’ points, but it is.
2009 Mayflash were not.
Pre-2009 Mayflash were.
Really? Damn, I’ll have to look that up…
M K L: “The 2009 Mayflash PCB uses VCC for all buttons and directions except UP and LEFT that use ground. You wire ground to the input of an inverter (74HC04 or similar) and the output to the points where VCC was supposed to go.”
Why would they change a PCB like that?
Judging by the pictures of the PCB, I want to say that I totally called it but I wanna make sure how the board works before I even do such a thing.
Kinda interested on how they did it but not enough to grab another Mayflash clone, unless it was really cheap.
EDIT: What are those three points on the top right corner of the PCB?
Toddles, you probably already know this, but all of our hopes are pinned on you dude.
Looks like they are “thru hole”, i’d like to think that maybe those are (or at least, can be used) for the 360 headset…
That was my first assumption. If it can be wired to some kind of TRS connection, I would be very impressed. Although, if memory serves, I think the 360 headset used 4 pins.