X2. I’m interested in it for sure. $39.99 for dual modded stick? DO WANT. Buttons and joystick are probably terrible, but still, I’d pick one up for casual play.
I already placed an order for one; the stick, case and button are almost certainly straight from the Mayflash mold. Mostly I want to scan and post up info about the pcb. My main questions:
Did they use a real Xbox security chip, or did they crack it?
Will MS be able to identify and lock out the pcb? (I’m really curious about this one. I’ve always wondered if there was a unique device ID in the security chip that identifies which controller or device it is.)
I should be able to answer #1 when it arrives. #2 will only be answered over time. I’ll do my best to find out the important pcb questions when it gets here (common ground, button layouts, PS2 BC on PS3’s, etc.)
i’m really heavy with the psp scene toodles. when the big guns cracked the firmware in the psp datel straight up just took it with loopholes even tho it was under gnu license. something similar could be fishy with your imp perhaps? they are very smart folks at datel the psp scene was not able to sue, but their kit(datel) was taken off the market, cuz we continually update custom firmwares, and they cannot steal every one
What I think is interesting is that Datel used to make ‘licensed’ products (as in they were carried in real stores like gamestop and wal-mart, I don’t know if they were officially licensed). They made memory cards and data cables to back up 360 saves on your PC.
But recently Microsoft introduced the firmware update that locked out all of their memory and storage products. Datel was the first company to speak up and put out press releases against the update, and they were pretty pissed.
I’m wondering if now they’re basically saying f*ck you to Microsoft and are releasing controllers with the security bypassed, or like Markman said with black market chips.
Just saw this, yeah this is pretty much what they’re doing with Microsoft now. They used to release all of these products without Microsoft caring, and now that MS is trying to lock them out it looks like they’re just saying screw it and trying to bypass the rules.
this looks interesting, i bought a stick from China but it is WAY too light. This might become my main and my other one will be for my friends to use. I’m asuming it doesn’t use sanwa parts?
20 bucks says it’s dual mod on a single board using either black market chips or chips ripped off from broken boards (whatever the case, unofficial chips). The Elecom/Mayflashes had PS2/PS3 compatibility this way, IIRC.
Datel started selling Pandora batteries once that method was figured out too. Wouldn’t be surprised if it used some kind of variation of the Imp board on the PCB.
Believe me, I know how shady Datel is. Let’s see, there’s the PSP stuff you already mentioned, the ripoff of the Crazy Taxi format for all of their swap disk/gameshark stuff, blatant theft of Loser’s code loader for the PS2, etc, etc. They’re shady as all hell.
But to be honest, I’m not checking it for the ethics. I just want to see how, if I can figure it out.
Well, those ‘rules’ are bullshit as all hell, just an attempt by MS to be the sole gatekeeper of the peripherals used on the 360. The DMCA even specifically has clauses about reverse engineering for the purpose of interoperability, and you can’t get a more textbook example than trying to make a controller that works on the console. But, I’m not a lawyer, so leave that kind of opinion to UltraDavid.
The question is HOW. Do I think they jacked the Imp? Nah. If I had their kind of funding and resources where I could actually get good information on the controller (which endpoints control what, where and how and what kind of authentication check is sent, how that check is sent to the security chip, and how to handle the chip’s reply) I wouldn’t bother with the Imp at all. It’d be easy to just have a single chip handle both PS3 and 360. The big question is whether or not they got their hands on xbox security chips and know how to use them, or if they got ahold of the firmware in the security chips to make their own or include the key and algorithm in their main chip.
What I’m taking from that is that there is some sort of identifier inside the security chip that indicates what peripheral it is meant for. Now that might mean that wireless headset and controller chips are not interchangable, or it might mean that security chips between different models or brands of controllers aren’t interchangable. I simply don’t know. But to be perfectly honest, even if the security chips are legit and their main chip properly identifies itself as whatever peripheral the security chip is for, I still can guarantee you that it will be possible for MS to put in some code to identify and lock out the Datel boards while leaving the authentic controllers it’s imitating untouched.
