Dark Slayer Style - The Vergil General Discussion Thread

vergil and akuma are absolutely ridic together…shopping cart is great too just alot less ambiguous

Maybe he figured that two hawt metrosexuals with fabulous girl hair was all the world could handle at that point?

The guide suggest that teleporting or canceling into judgement cut/roundtrip is his best options for a blockstring.

His air normals are usually positive, and judgement cut/ round trip/helm breaker are his safe moves.

Helm breaker being safe is kind of scary. I heard he can cancel that into teleport too. If Helm Breaker is plus on block, you might be able to cancel it into Trick, and Helm Breaker again, or cancel it into Trick Down and low attack for a basic mixup. Probably too slow, and they’ll be able to react.

Unfortunately, Helm Breaker doesn’t cancel into Trick Down. It can only cancel into Trick after Vergil gets to the ground. Also… Helm Breaker isn’t overhead :sad:, they can block it low & if they expect a Trick, they can mash jabs.

“Foolishness. Just, foolishness.”

:l::m::h: Stinger :s: sj :m::m::h: Helm Breaker (call for Jam Session) High Time :h: (to teleport back down) Lunar Phase, Rising Sun xx Dimension Slash DHC Million Dollars

Needs 1 bar (builds up about 1 bar but thats used for Million Dollars) does about 760k anywhere on the screen with mashing of both hypers

I like it :] The timing was a little weird for me at first, but at least this gets the twin brothers somewhere now :stuck_out_tongue:

Vergil is probably going to be that character where people need a back pocket Vergil. I dont know one person who isnt using this guy yet lol. Many mirror matches to come.

I hate mirror matches, so I’ll be pretty sad about that. But hey, I’ll just train harder, put the time in, and OHKO all of the other scrub Vergils with style, haha.

Anyways, this is by far the greatest combo I’ve ever seen. We’ve all seen it before, but with the quality of the video, it really shines. And 1 meter combo that does 719K, Vergil will be doing some pretty great damage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpOkO6qyves

On a side note, did anyone see the 744K meterless, one assist combo for Wesker? What the hell is Capcom’s idea of balance, to make a top tier character even better than they already were. Maybe everyone in the game is top tier now,and Vergil will be balanced, haha.

From what i saw it used 2 meter. One from the swords and two from maximum bubbles. But still that is some stylish stuff.

You really think he’s that good? I think you’re overrating the character a lot if think everyone needs a back pocket Vergil. He hasn’t even shown anything yet to suggest he’s better than Dante. In fact, I’d say Dante’s still the far better character. Trust me, there are a lot of people who aren’t going to want to drop their mains. He’s pretty good, but now that good. The character doesn’t have the tools to run the metagame like you’re suggesting he will.

But I can’t wait to try this Zero/Vergil/Akuma team. It’s gonna be sick.

Please explain exactly what makes him “overrated”

I didnt say he’s overrated, I said that I think you’re overrating him. You’re overrating him by pretty much declaring his dominance and saying things like people will need to have a Vergil of there own. None of the characters tools even suggests he will be that dominant.

Considering multiple top players have claimed he is the best new character and some the best character in the game I dont think im overrating him at all.

inb4whatjustinwongsaidaboutadon

It’s pretty obvious Vergil is going to be within in the top tier of the game. He has all of the tools for it including being another auto pilot kill people down character in XF3 like Wesker and Felicia. Could potentially be better at it than both of them even.

Plus it’s not just been J.Wong that’s been saying it, Japanese have been saying, multiple people backing this. That’s when you know things are going the right way for a character.

It builds one meter in the combo, effectively nullifying the use of Spiral Swords. Dimension Slash only takes one meter. So if you start the combo with one meter, it’s 719K. That’s how I see combos anyways, even if they use two. You only need one.

Isn’t exactly related to Vergil, but I thought you all might find this amusing. This is essentially capcom’s idea of balance:

  • Combos do less damage, so the game is based more on resets and strategy Counter: But now you can mash hypers, doing far more damage than before, and Wesker has a meterless 744K combo.

  • Damage scaling on assists, and combos scale more, resulting on lower damage. Counter: But we’ll lower 3/4 of the casts health, so you take away just as much health anyways, with the “less damage” combos.

The game is basically looking the same as it was before. Sick, creative combos. Massive damage. Cheapness everywhere, and I love it.

That combo is cool as s****, cant wait to see more. The sad part is that 720k is not that much, since he used 2 hypers, even more now that chars like wesker can make 760K in combo with NO MEETER, and ryu can make an 820K with just one.

This and his unsafe normals is why i think he wont be used that much in professional tournaments, witch is a shame.

You want self sustaining combos. Plus for 2 bars, that’s weak damage.

Vergil will be on a TON of tournament teams. A lot of people have already admitted to loving Vergil already.

The Vergil board needs to get over the whole “unsafe normal” schtick because we have already established there are plenty of ways to keep Vergil safe.

I think we have to ingrain it into our minds that we either need Assists to cover our normals (a given for most characters)… or we need to cancel them into things like Round Trip, Judgement Cut, etc. The combos I recreated from the Isedelica video don’t do that much damage, but we’re all aware that if there’s anything Vergil will be silly good at, it’s resets.

Other than the High Time xx Trick Down, (dash) Throw stuff that’s been seen… if you do c.:h: xx Stinger xx Trick :l: for the wall bounce followup, I tried doing things like c.:h: xx Trick :l: or :m:, add an assist & it might prove useful?