Sounds like my kind of character :wgrin:.
Itād just be bad character design. Why give him so many tools for mix ups, if all heās supposed to do is punish?
Actually the way he is now I think is a well-designed character. Unlike Dante who had uber-priority, a million safe moves and built and used meter for free, Vergil seems more balanced in that he only gets derpy with bar, otherwise you have to be careful, while Dante can just mash specials that gave frame advantage to continue his pressure and BC block whenever he made a mistake.
Which is why you can easily just put him at 2 or in the back and have a battery charge him up. Not really that hard.
I think Dante is a good character design in Ultimate now that his TODās with neutral meter are basically gone (that we know of right now at leastā¦).
But Vergil seems awesome without bar too. I mean he has a tracking front/behind teleport which means free 50/50 mixups with an assist pretty much anytime at your disposal. He can convert good damage off a different number of hits/throws. His Yomi game is pretty Godlike so it will help him build his own meter.
Then when he gets meter it will be a different level of derpy Godness. I mean you dont even need an assist for full screen mixups with Swordorobourosā¦ Nini Heart I think mentioned that you basically get 2 attempts at a complete 50/50 mixup that people have no chance at reacting too because the swords hit so fast off the teleport. If they block the first attempt and pushblock it just do it again.
People have been now reporting that DT Level 3 xfc Vergil is absolutely insane, like Dark Phoenix insane. Which basically means he can fit in any slot onto a team. He is a lot like Wesker in that he will probably be a solid point/great #2/amazing anchor.
Vergil is going to be an absolute nightmare/beast in this game.
Team Demon Duracell
Dante/Amaterasu/Vergil
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I think my eventual team of Viper/Dante/Vergil will probably be a better Duracell lol
Not if I mash bloom all the time.
lool i remember at the begining of MVC3 you hated Dante, until u played him
lol im no better, i actually posted at the very begining of MVC3 that Chris, Dorm and Hsien-Ko would be a killer Sent team (pre-patch), and I also remember when peeps called me crazy for saying how op Wolvie was lol.
all to say, as much as weāve been told that this game will now revolve moreso about Zoning and being lame, I think zoners will still get rushed the hell down.
watch as I am totally wrong in 3 months time and Dorm becomes the best char in the game.
Go play skullgirls then. Whatās with all the negativity, if heās easy to use and a cheap anchorā¦ so what. So you donāt like him, then you donāt have to use him. I just get sick of people wasting time with their complaints. Even if those complaints are legitimate.
Iām pumped for using Round Trip in combos, and see potential in itās synergy with Judgment Cut for combos. So canāt wait for this game now. Almost got it early at an independent retailer today, but stupid Gamestop turned them in too many times for giving out games early, so they werenāt allowed to anymore.
Oh man how much I HATED Dante in vanilla lmao. Then he grew into pretty much my favorite character because of how busted and fun he wasā¦ you could be so creative with him. I have finally accepted the fact that ill probably run Vergil as much as I didnt want to lol no sense in going over another Dante situation again.
It was weird characters I loved in the beginning of Vanilla I hated a few near the end and a few I hated I now love.
He isnāt complaining he is just stating the truth. There is a ton of derpy shit in this game, Vergil just appears to be near the top of the food chain in that category. Most top tiers will always have something wicked good and abusable.
Oh and where can we play Skullgirls?
I donāt mind him stating that heās derpy as hell. Very well could be, but I like the characterās backstory/personality/appearance, etc. So Iāll be playing him no matter what. Plus, his moves just look cool. I could do without the complaining attitude, thatās all. Deviljinās very informative, no doubt.
You can go play it when it comes out, haha.
**Edit: **To anyone that hasnāt seen his mission mode combos yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVoZAm-8f4&feature=player_embedded I hope Indig0 is as excited as I am about Mission 9, finally got to witness Blistering Swords in a combo. Hello DMC3.
Tbh the more I read about him being worse/harder/less derp than people expected BUT him still being viable, the more excited I get lmao. I donāt wanna run into a million Vergils like with Weskers, although Vergil has way more variety and different combos/setups still. (Will play him regardless of tier though)
I still think heās to overrated going by videos, and Tatsuās statement, but Iāll make sure to build a ton of meter with other chars before letting him in so I can have fun and wreck fools. ^Eclipse: Yea, wanted to post that video as well, it was private for a while. Those combos look sexy as hell.
āāToggle Auto-scrollāā interesting, theyve learned something from the complaints for Mission mode lol.
JWong already proclaiming Vergil is the best of the new 12(like Tokido did earlier) and Top 3 overall. As of day -4 it is guaranteed you will be seeing a lot of this man.
I will when it comes out. Itās not out yet.
The issue I have is I donāt understand why Capcom would make a character that has no purpose but to throw in the back. At least with Phoenix you have to like go for a whole 5 meter saving thing. Vergil just sounds like what would happen if Wesker was only good in the back.** **WTF is a DMC character thatās only good in the back? Thatās an insult to the character and I donāt see why people are hype about it. Vanilla regular Phoenix sounds better than what people are making point Vergil out to be. That doesnāt and shouldnāt exist. I just want Vergil son of sparda to be a little better than Dark Wesker the character? Is that too much to ask in 2011?
I just find it stupid that like people are actually excited about Dark Wesker the character. Itās all the stupid shit that made people hate Vanilla coming back again. Where no matter how well you do, somebody just pressing buttons with a super powered anchor just runs back the match. It just lacks any real team synergy and is just another boring, simple aspect of new games.
The bigger issue overall is that people need to figure out how to make Vergil work on point because thatās the bigger thing.
Youāre rightā¦thatās definitely something I have to do for myself and anyone else who wants to make the character work on point because Capcom did what they did with the charcter. Itās just people are making Vergil out like the only way you should play the character is put him in the back because of his normals. I donāt buy that and I definitely want to find a way to make this character play well in the front because it will ultimate make him better in the back any way when he wonāt have assists (not that he would need to get any better by what people are saying).
I really donāt want this character to be Dark Wesker the characterā¦he has way too many tools to be another durp out Phoenix character so whoever already said theyāre in for playing him on point (at least until he kills one character)ā¦letās go in on Tuesday.
Why do you think heā useless on point? Stop making judgement before the game is out. Heās fine on point. Where this idea came from that heās not I have no idea. Heās just really good X-factor level 3 with 5 bars.
Thatās not my judgement. Thatās just a bunch of other peopleās judgements and their judgement is keeping us from learning how the character actually works or putting him anywhere other than swing shit around anchor. Iām just done with all of these comments about āoh heās totally unsafe on front, just put him on backā. Itās a DMC character heās gonna work in the front somehow.
Iām just saying I donāt buy anyone who says heās not worth putting in the front and the whole being hype for just doing stupid shit with him in the back as if itās the only thing he can do. Every character like Vergil has some way to safely work as a point character and Iāll definitely be putting the work on starting Tuesday.
So his DLC costume is Corrupted Vergil which should DT into Nelo Angelo. Dunno how itās gonna work though since Nelo is huge as fuck and has a bigger sword than Cloud.
Sounds awesome though.
Iāll say this I donāt like him on point because heāll get raped by characters that crowed him in the beginning and blow him up with faster normalās and if you block you get to eat the first 50/50 you could always walk up and hit up back but then your options are limited air throw or jump c/ s I guess Dante has an easier time dealing with this because he can walk up not lose any ground and hold up back at start and go from there. air dash c, air dash back c. punish with hammer, hhh assist - hammer, double jump away toward, air throw. That exhibition match Max vs Wong, Wongās Iron Fist was always in a position where his normalās blow up Virgilās and he was hard to shake off. Of course itās Justin fucking Wong I mean the guy is gdlk. I dont think his great point def 2nd or 3rd slot maybe point against zoners
o__O I found a glitch that makes his round trip active on the 1st frame. Holy shit, nvm about unsafe blockstrings. Vergil top tier for free.