IMHO, Dante is great on point, and Vergil looks like he’ll get the most mileage second/third. Add a beam assist or an armored assist that augments the twin’s teleport shenanigans, and you’ve got a scary team.
How do you guys feel about Vergil/Akuma synergy? Do you think Vergil with his partial invincibility on Rapid Slash on point with Akuma Tatsu assist will give him enough time to continue the combo after Tatsu is done hitting the opponent even with the hard knockdown? In my head it seems to work especially because Vergil has such long normals that he can catch the guy falling out of tatsu even from quite a distance.
My second question is do you think after Vergil’s Bnb to call Akuma assist to self otg->teleport down, he’ll have time to teleport again and continue combo from tatsu? Any help or opinion will be much appreciated!
It’s more like who Akuma does not work with.
Can’t really say on the combo stuff until the game comes out. Slight nerf to the hit stun on Akuma assist but should probably be enough to work.
yeah Akuma is pretty much good on all teams he is a bit overrated because he can get blown up really bad if your not careful. As far as combo extension goes his solid so is Ryu and he doesn’t have pixie life and he can go super saiyajin with that power up mode.
okay, i have been thinking of running vergil for a while, and my current team of PW/Ghostrider, needs some kind of lockdown/pushback assist. i reckon i will be running PW with missile assist for 3/4 screen unblockables with ghosty (in theory), and ghosty with the hellspire assist, which can absorb projectiles for PW and acts as an anti air too.
which of vergils assists would people recommend? im interested to know if his sword rush assist will push the opp back across the screen, esp if it has frontal invulnerability. his judgement cut could work out as well possibly, but may not be as good for pushing people back who manage to get into ghostys/wrights face.
This is exactly my mindset. Since I saw the vids I wanted V second or third + I main Dante and he’s great on point so it works out perfect. Dante/Vergil/Strange will be a team im trying (Probably my 3 fav. chars too = winning!). As you’ve said, Dante is great on point, and V’s ideal position is probably second or last + Strange has a beam assist that also locks down longer than most. Altho I just realized Strange’s beam assist prob. isn’t his best assist so I hope the other two will get the job done.
It seems most of you guys are going for Rising sun or Judgment cut as assists, I was actually thinking of Rapid slash lol. Altho I like the move more on point lol, so idk if itll work out as planned as assist, it seems risky yea (I hope the invincibility thing is still true, at least in DT). I don’t know if a dark hole type assist + disks will work out that well for me though, I prefer to have the screen covered with things like a beam or jam session/drones/w/e. But ill see.
Any assist that isn’t Haggar can get blown up really badly on a bad call but he comes out on screen at such a speed and priority (while being projectile invincible) that it’s usually in your favor to just ram on him unless you’re getting completely rushed. Especially since assists still come on screen even if you get hit. The only issue with Akuma is that he’s a mostly close ranged assist but once you get in close Akuma shuts down all other assists except armored or invincible assists. If the opponent waits for Haggar to whiff he can get in trouble also and the 2 frame invincibility nerf means Haggar will lose to tight rushdown now also.
All assists get blown up on bad calls.(since she’s only vulnerable for what is half a second). Not really unique to Akuma. The hardest assist to punish is Morrigan’s harmonizer because as soon as she appears on screen and waves her hand you can’t touch her anymore.
So no love for Team DMC? Definitely going to run this squad day one since Trish was my main character in Vanilla.
Your right about that Jin I guess I was trying to say even though the assist is projectile invincible you still have to cover it like any other lock down assist and ryu tatsu still works pretty well for that end and he has some advantages as a character now and should be considered. From Max’s vid Strange’s beam looks really slow but it could work. Rapid can otg from what I’ve seen and it’s got good lock down potential, judgment cut just looks really safe and raising sun looks like something that’ll be great for some combo extension if your a Dante player. That being said weasel shot is pretty damn good cover maybe put Dante in the back as 2nd and put strange on point with orb assist. Team DMC will work but I like having a solid beam assist backing up the twins and DMC team feels like it’ll be lacking in some department assist wise. This is just speculation and opinion really.
Been planning to match Viper with Hawk since he was announced, since my viper loves projectile assists. And his potential as a very punishing anchor really apeals to me. Is there enough meter to go around for a Viper/Vergil/Hawkeye team? Vergil with orb assist and Hawk with vertical arrow assist. I really want a nice variation to my viper/dante/doom. I think vergil and hawkeye will be good together…Vergil doesn’t seem to control air space very well so Hawks vert arrows should compliment well. And DT DHC to hawks super should be really good…could be a free transform for vergil and maybe even a nice punish for Hawk! Afterwards Viper and Hawk get DT’d orb assist to strengthen their rushdown/zoning while building/abusing meter. If you kill Viper and Hawk, you get to fight XF3 Devil Vergil with multiple bars, which wont be fun. Viper has some really strong assist options (especially with DT) on this team…backed by both she can easily control most of the screen. Awesome DHC potential…when viper is not in the 2nd slot, however she should have safe entry after the sword crown super. I am very excited about experimenting with Vipers assists on this team. BK with Hawks slide seems viable as well as with vergil’s teleport, since vergil ports are fast and can end grounded, allowing for a quick low that also crosses up. Depending on how much block stun is on Vergils normals…stinger + BK into teleport will be stupid. I think this team has plenty of potential, its just the meter concerns that worry me.
In theory i think getting vergil into DT and then abusing his powered up assists while his teammates build meter will be a powerful tactic for teams that include vergil. With two bars DT DHC’d to invincible supers looks really scary to me, especially if Hawk builds good meter while zoning with arrows plus DT’d assists. Just imagine what kind of trouble DHCing into swords super and out of DT can cause for the oppenent! If you manage to get max time and meter with Dark Devil Vergil…SMH
On paper this looks like a very solid team…great rushdown, mixup, resets, zoning, supers, lame out, xf, and punishment capabilities…on paper at least
So guys, I’ve asked this before and gotten no answers so I’ll ask again.
How does Vergil’s rapid slash behave on block? How far back does it push them? Does it have decent blockstun? Does it hit quickly enough to keep airblocking opponents off the ground?
How does rapid slash get changed in Devil Trigger? I noticed that it was bigger in one of the videos, but is it big enough to say, cover normal jump height? Does the distance it goes change at all? Does it stay out longer/do more hits?
Any more info on this assist would be greatly appreciated
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this is what i would like to know as well, can it be used for a pushback assist.
not much is known yet on the complete bit of rapid slash but from bits i’ve seen (and others) it seems like the actual version if vergil was on point (minus some invincibility). Outside of the pushback bit, not much else is known on it.
I saw a vid or two where it seems that it has almost no pushback, as for the other questions I have no clue Lol…
somebody should probably do a video with some of these questions for Maximilian when he does the QnA thing for Vergil.
So yea vergil next week on ultimate assist me, looking forward to it.
Heres some marvel madness gameplay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwgRrEdwPi0&feature=feedu I haven’t watched it yet but vergil is in the thumbnail so Im assuming he is featured.
Aww man, that combo at the end!
It’s nice to see followup comboes after Vergil’s Rising Sun>Trick Down. I knew he’d have something.
Lol it sounded like vergil had an orgasm when he pop that x factor cherry.
Vergil basically has berkerser slash>power up super sheganians… oh lordy.
And his version of Phantom Dance has godlike damaging scaling. It makes Wesker’s version look like shit in comparison.
This means the assist version would be a great cross over counter, especially if it has invincibility as one like Jill’s.
Those Vergil combos were sexy as shit, can not wait to get my hands on UMvC3!