probably because there’s a good chance vergil may be better than dante. especially with these nerfs he received. don’t get me wrong, i’m definitely gonna play team dmc just cause but after seeing these changes i’m really gonna try to see how strider, vergil, wesker ( no particular order ) work together so i can see if i can make them my main squad.
Sounds like Dante is ass now with these nerfs. I’m thinking he’s going to be an assist character now.
^doubt it. some of his combos aren’t as efficient anymore but dante is still definitely a solid character. people gotta change it up or jump on the Vergil bandwagon if it comes to that
They make Dante easier to play and he’s ass? LOL.
I’m sticking with Dante for sure. He works with X23 and Doom so well and by god did none of the nerfs they do to him were enough IMO. Usually Capcom goes for the rape factor but they hardly did anything. It’s almost laughable like Capcom couldn’t realize Dante runs the fucking game. Welp hope you have fun with rocket raccoon. I"m sticking with the guy that’s going to be top tier basically again.
Whoa, let’s not jump the gun here.
I’m having a hard time seeing how he’s ass now with his nerfs.
I haven’t had a chance to play Ultimate yet, but from what I’ve been reading on this board the changes to Dante don’t seem like a big deal.
Some hitbox nerfs on his normals, some iframes taken from his hammer, and he’s affected by hitstun now seem like the biggest nerfs that I can remember off the top of my head. Pretty much all stuff that I saw coming from a mile away when I heard the game was going to get re-balanced.
Doesn’t seem too drastic to me. Plus he got some buffs too.
Just need to figure out some new combos and stuff and I can call it a day.
These changes don’t seem THAT bad. I might consider keeping Dante in Ultimate.
From what I’m hearing it sounds like all his high damaging bnbs are gone and so is his basic MArn combo to top it off. To me that means his damage has pretty much been nerfed into complete shit. With Dante damage down the drain there’s really no reason to play the character anymore outside of the Jam Session assist. From the sound of things Dante has gotten the biggest Nerf out of all the top-tier.
@DevilJin:
How is he going to be top-tier if you’re only getting 500-600k damage out of him? Isn’t that the exact same thing that stops Trish from being top-tier or even used? It pretty much puts Dante in the same tier as characters like Trish and Strom. That’s not top-tier.
The changes are not horrible or character breaking at all, but I am like ‘‘Man that sucks’’ though, but I’d say he’d still be top 10 (Comparing to MVC3 Roster) Vergil we have no idea how he might play at all. In the series his sword and he had some good ranged stuff + he is generally quicker at striking than Dante is. He might play completely different compared to what we’d expect
Not to mention Vergil might not even end up being better than Dante or even decent in general (Ill play him anyways though). Although I doubt it The battle director is also a huge DMC fan I heard.
Im probably still playing Dante, but I have like 10 teams so ill play everyone. I hate the skydance nerf lol, and I can boldcancel with ease, but sometimes I just don’t want to or in lag go with what I know will 100% kill the opponent. But I could still go for the easy > Killerbee, into the spinny swords air launch/OTG I guess.
That’s before a DHC. Plus look at it realistically…who was REALLY good in Vanilla MVC3 that had a lot of health? Um…like She Hulk who had to be covered with assists and still wasn’t as good as Dante by a good bit, oh and of course big bad Wesker who was mainly just a reset/mix up king with tank health. Now his health is said to be on Dante level at best. Everyone else that was scary in MVC3 had no more than 950k health.
In general they’re balancing the game so nobody does ridiculous damage without XF anymore. It’s not something they’re just doing to Dante…it’s getting done to everybody. Mainly because it’s really stupid to play a game where you just put people in combo videos and there’s no actual fighting. Big Dante combos are nice but they’re not helping the validity of the game. Plus…you know things are going to get funny when it’s said that Strider Hiryu probably has no more than 650k health. One of the characters touted to be a beast in the game coming out of being a beast in MVC2 and this guy makes Zero and Magneto look like tanks in health. In general you’re still going to die very quickly in this game unless you play those derpy monster characters. Which they’ll get some buffs I’m sure but if the last game was any indication, you didn’t need a bunch of health or DHC glitch to be on top. You just needed to have cheap tools and mix ups and Dante certainly had that.
The main reason Dante was used more over Trish wasn’t just because of the damage, it was the fact that he had a teleport that let him close the gap at any time and more safely with an assist, near broken ranged normals that are more or less invincible forced everyone in the game to respect his space, probably the hardest to react to box jump M/H in the game, a move that’s invincible on both sides and has way too many other advantages that I’m not going to list, one of the few characters that could legit fight Wolverine on a pretty even front, didn’t lose to anybody…beat a lot of other characters…it’s just goes on. There wasn’t much Dante couldn’t do before and there won’t be much he can’t do. In a game where you’re better off controlling your space than trying to block everything on reaction Dante is a perfect character to have on the team and he’ll most likely stay that way come Ultimate.
Trish and Storm aren’t as good as Dante because they aren’t as good as Dante. Period. Maybe they’ll get some new tools that’ll give Dante a run for his money in the tiers…but I doubt it. Dante pretty much deserved all of his nerfs because he was just too damn good. Magneto basically got nerfed just as hard with a couple new moves to replace his nerfs. The only thing the nerfs are really going to do is make Dante less overpowering over the other cast. He’ll still easily run the game IMO. Technology/strat wise he wasn’t fully tapped at all and that’s the real scary part about him.
This all falls into how people never really learned how to play the game and turn resets into more mix ups like a real fighting game. Everyone just worried about combos. LOL. That’s all you see on the front page…combos combos combos. What won Evo? Definitely not fucking combos. More like real fighting game tech from Wesker and Haggar with some red head insurance. Now that DHC glitch is gone and doing 2,000,000 damage in one combo without XF isn’t possible anymore…it’s about time we move on to a game where hopefully resets and mix ups actually matter (not holding my breath).
well how long are we talkin? like 20hits? 50? because if i cant do one of my favorite combos that involve that ill be annoyed…
do you think that j.:s::df::h::h::h::s::qcf::l::qcf::l:(hammer):df::h::h::h::f::h:(stinger):d::s:+:atk::d::s:(bold teleport)j.:s::dp::dp:(beehive):qcb::h::h:(fireworks)million dollars…still works? if not then the attacks that involve the two fire/wind swords are pretty much useless
I’m glad to see I’m not the only one NOT freaking out his nerfs
Dante will never be ass. Bet on it
Played Dante at SDCC, and yes I can confirm this combo works after a Hammer or j.s. Honestly, not sure why people are freaking out, his Bnb combo worked for me (Titainiumbeast 2), except for them flipping out during jetstream at the end. However, Im thinking just finish it with another beehive instead of jetsream after the ground bounce. The majority of his old combos still work, they just may need to be adjusted accordingly due to HSD.
I love how we’re talking early builds of the game still and Dante is apparently ass because of a few changes that aren’t even a 100% confirmation still.
wait till the game actually drops and people find the new or same shit done differently before you start spitting out “insert character is ass”. Dante looks overall fine.
Dante definitely runs this game on the DL. Had there been another year in between Vanilla and Ultimate where people learned combos and realized Dante was the best we probably would’ve been worse off. This guy has no bad matchups and a Vanilla Dante in Ultimate Marvel would have been bananas.
From maxamillian’s umvc3 gameplay videos, it looks like dante has less range on some attacks. Looks like his j.H, st.H and st.L have less range or something. His normal attacks just look kind of different. I’m talking about the video posted today. His cr.M, and his j.M look the same though, but some other ones look different hitboxes or something.
If Dante gets new moves, RDP is still open.
from max’s video it still looks like sky dance is good…idk what people are talking about…i just need to stop believing rumors
Yeah at this point I’m just gonna wait for the game to come out.
Honestly I’m completely mind fucked right now as to what dante can do and can’t do in Ultimate. The info I read made Dante seem like he was going to be ass, and the combos Max was doing in his video was said not be possible anymore. But that video made Dante look just as good as ever. I don’t know what to believe about Dante anymore.