Damsel in Distress: The Discussion (Kickstarter Feminist plays video games)

I’m sure many of you have been dying to hear my view on all this. All I ask is that you keep the trolling to a minimum.

  1. Games are art, and as such should be respected as a form of expression. You don’t have to support a given work of art if you don’t like it, and in fact are free to create your own. So in that regard, I respect her right to criticize, but that’s all she has the right to do.

If guys want to save princesses or look at scantly clad women that is their choice. If you want to see that as sexist fine, but that doesn’t mean you get to stop them.


  1. What is sexism? Sexism is a form of discrimination where prejudiced action is different based on sex. This seems like a pretty straight forward definition.

But is it sexist to write a story about a man saving a girl? Probably not, as we could argue that maybe the girl really was too weak to escape her situation and needed help. Girls, like all people, can be put in situations beyond their means.

But what if others use this same plot? Does it then become sexist after so many people use the same plot device to start a story? See, here is the problem with this line of thinking. If something can begin non-discriminatory, can it then become discriminatory if it’s used too often? And if so, at what point does it become sexist?

This could be applied to a lot of plot devices. Like if I used a black man as a villain, that’s probably not racist, as black men, like other people, are capable of being evil. But if everyone made their villains black guys, could it become racist?

I think this is the fundamental question here that shouldn’t be taken for granted. I think it would be difficult to posit that it’s NEVER ok to use a female in distress or to use a black villain. So if a plot device is ok to use in one story, why not another?

Even if you can argue that it is discrimination you still have to illustrate why you ought to have the right to censor another’s work.


  1. Personally, I think the whole damsel in distress thing is pretty played out. But ultimately, it’s not my choice what people choose to create in terms of games or movies. I’d like to see more games with a strong female lead, but instead of telling people they shouldn’t make certain types of games, maybe try and convince people that a female perspective could be different and fun.

In other words, instead of pushing people away from what they know, try to appeal to them with something fresh. You’ll receive a lot less resistance that way.

Also, it’s easy to point fingers and say what is wrong, it’s a lot harder to put forth constructive ideas about how things should be different. Being a critic is easy, especially when it comes to societal issues. Speaking of societal issues…


  1. What is the primary goal of a company or corporation? To make money. Trying to place the burden of social change on a company seems very unfair. They do market research and give the public a product that will sell. And clearly, big tits and saving princesses sell. Forcing them to lose money to try and sway public opinion isn’t fair from a monetary standpoint, it’s like trying to force someone to take up your cause and fit the bill for it.

If you want to change society, fine, trying to coerce Lego or Nintendo into making different products to match your agenda seems completely out of line. If you want those products made then change public opinion. I promise if big tits and saving princesses wasn’t profitable, companies wouldn’t be using them.


  1. As far as the videos themselves go, I saw quite a bit of hypocrisy. First off, when a game changed to become a Star Fox sequel and the lead was given to Fox McCloud, this was seen as sexist. And yet, when Doki Doki Panic became Mario 2 and one of the characters was taken out for Peach that didn’t count? Wait…WTF. It’s the same damn thing.

In both cases a game was changed to include characters from a more mainstream franchise. In one a female was taken from the lead and that’s bad, but in another a female was put into a lead and that doesn’t count? Biased.

I also love how she completely marginalizes any game where Peach took on a more active role, as if those games didn’t count. Like Smash Brothers where she’s a good (and even competitive character), that didn’t count because it wasn’t in the main line of games. Smash sold a veritable shit load of units and for many players is still very relevant today (like it or not it’s in EVO), but that just doesn’t count? Why? Because it doesn’t fit your point? Biased.

Oh, and then she completely ignores the fact Zelda had her own set of games on the CDI (thank you AVGN). Granted, the games were crap, but she still ignored them because again, they didn’t support her point. Biased.

It seems to me like she suffers from what we in scientific research call the Rosenthal effect. This is defined as the researcher’s knowledge influencing the data that is collected, which leads to sampling bias. In other words, you seek out only those things that support your hypothesis.

And while I would agree there are a ton of examples of damsels in games, I would posit that her minimizing and leaving out certain examples discredits her points. It makes her presentation seem much less objective and coming off with a biased agenda.

I’ve already seen the video on a mirror (which I would urge you guys to look at, too) and only have a few small things to say.

  1. Hot damn that tumblr special snowflake logic is so dumb. On the same vein as ‘cisgender’ and ‘privilege checking’, this is just the byproduct of having nothing to offer on the part of the minority group. Much like somebody not wanting to hire a transmetro technofluid transexual, gender non-binary idiot, game developers didn’t want to cater to screeching feminists that will never be happy with the outcome of a female character in a game. This isn’t new, however, as every other medium has gone through the same hordes of easily offended idiots, it’s just that our medium is relatively new and thus they feel the need to saturate it as well.

  2. This Damsel in Distress trope is blown so out of proportion these days that it’s laughable. Video games, as well as movies, are heavily saturated with FITE DA ANCIENT EVIL plots, usually ending in Buffsmash McBeefjaw killing them and saving the world/planet/town. But feminazis would have us believe that every other movie is Rescue the Weak Woman Because They Are Genetically Inferior and Only Good For Their Holes 2: The Fuckening, horrible movies about the dark gritty reality of men opening doors, buying them dinner and being polite, thus oppressing their strong womyn pride. And so what if it’s a fucking trope, does that mean that it is the patriarchy trying to shit on women? No, it’s a biological impulse on our part to want to protect women and children, as it has been what we’ve done for thousands of years, but somehow that makes us horrible, selfish people.

This wave of retarded new wave internet feminism is such a fucking cancer to video games, but I’m glad that plenty of developers are just ignoring it and not stirring up the bee hive, lest their actually intelligent games fall into the hands of little girls who have been taught to hate all facets of a man. But much like movies, we’ll survive the shitstorm and then continue on, with some publishers pandering to the idiotic masses.

On the asinine cow herself, this video is basically the most intelligent explanation you’ll find about her:

It’s kind of funny because when I watched the video + the Bayonetta “analysis” =)) , I didn’t see anything being offered to fix whatever sexist trope Anita felt necessary to point out to the viewers. To me there is no real lesson learned from this 23 minute rant, which is why we feel the need to compare it to a TV tropes article. The video lacks a clear resolution to what Anita implies is a huge problem. If the rest of her videos are going to be like this one, then the whole thing just reeks of wasted potential (in American dollars).

Absolutely. I had a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach just hearing her talk about SMB2. If she ever gets to cherry picking Skullgirls, hopefully she will grant us something to post in the scrubquotes thread as well.

You sexist pig you don’t want to see Kayo police starring in GTA5 you want more of this:

In all seriousness though, while it doesn’t affect me either way I fail to see the problem with having more games starring women, especially when the ones I know of are pretty damn good (Mirror’s Edge, Beyond Good and Evil, Bayonetta, Portal). Also no kickstarter prostitution jokes? Damn SRK is slacking these days and apparently it takes 150k to make 5 youtube videos.

If she ever bothered to actually be creative, she’d know that you need a hook to wrap your storyline around and that the damsel in distress is a common trope that everyone recognizes so it’s often used oh… FUCKING EVERYWHERE.

And no one complains when you play a cop game where you have to rescue your partner who is a man, or a game about gangs where you save a fellow gang member who is a man, or all those zombie games where you save male companions, etc.

And I’m sure if I go back into my mental Rolodex of video game scenarios, I can uncover a multitude of examples of men being saved by women. Even some who are not Lara Croft.

But of course, we dwell on the plight of all women in the world who are so severely harmed my this overplayed, cliched trope instead of simply accepting this like we accept the handsome, stubble-chinned adventurer ah-la Nathan Drake.

Tl;dr: Bitches can’t just let shit stand.

Matriarch summed up many of the points well. Video games don’t have “social responsibility” in the same manner that Tarantino doesn’t owe you shit and makes the movies he wants to make. Don’t like it? Don’t watch it.

Males are the primary target audience for videogames and you could argue that even on the subconscious level males are programmed to defend their mates in the same way that parents are programmed to defend their offsprings, because that’s how it was like in nature for tens of thousands of years, and even today in times of war, generally speaking, it’s men who go fight and defend, not women. So why not play safe with the most effective 5 second motivation you can come up with? It’s so common because it simply works.

The only test is the voting with wallet test. TV panders to women because women are the prime audience for TV programming, especially in the early hours of the day. Morning shows are clearly for women, then you have soup operas etc.

In newspapers and magazines you also have plenty of sections that are clearly for women. All about health/lifestyle/cooking/gossip sections… They are there only because many women are interested in them and will pay money to read them.

Magazines for men on the other hand are ones that focus on specific fields that men care about like hot women, cars, beer, and… videogames. And there are way less of those, in the same manner as there are less TV shows for men.

As long as women don’t play videogames, videogames will not pander to them in return.

And what if I enjoy playing male characters that saves the busty broad in an impossibly low plunge dress that make her tits look like they’re defying gravity? Honestly now. Matriarch said it well. These *Nu Wave *wannabe feminist are laughable.

I wish I thought of the Kickstarter. I’d be pretty set for awhile with 150K…

Bingo.

She calls herself a media critic, she isn’t going to be scientific or academic, she’s just getting her pundit on.

Great post btw.

I wonder if people complained in Ancient Greece that it was Orpheus who followed Eurydice into Hades rather than the other way around.

To me the question is if she wasn’t a semi-attractive female would she have earned 150K from her start up? The answer is probably no, so it seems that she seems to be financially benefiting from the sexism that she seems to rally against. I would be willing to bet the vast majority of her earning are from internet white knights, and not women.

I like to think that intelligent women see her attention whore rants as something to be ashamed off

Halo 4 spoiler. But if this actually spoils it then it’s your fault. Been out like 5 fucking months.

[details=Spoiler]At the end of Halo 4, Cortana saves Master Chief from being killed by the Didact. Which is a good example of Matriarch’s “All people can be put in situations beyond their means.”, being how many regard him as one of the most solidified bad asses in all of gaming.
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she made 150k from THAT? I’ve been doing it the hard way all this time…

-Starhammer-

What exactly was the money even for? Like, why did she need the money for her videos? I payed no attention to her kickstarter but what was she going to be doing that she couldn’t do normally with just the camera she has?

Nothing.
Judging from the video she just stole everything from tvtropes and pocketed the money.

I’m surprised someone hasn’t made the counter-argument that games are a tool of the feminists to “pussify” today’s men. Look at old games like Contra and Ghouls’n Ghosts. Shit, even kid friendly games like Donkey Kong. Hard as hell! Now you get these bosses that look all badass and you’re like, “Yeah, now I get to show off my warrior skills! This will truly test my manhood! Now for the fight! x, triangle, triangle, circle, x, circle, square, x, circle…GOT HIM!!!”

That has nothing to do with manhood, but with laziness and lack of intelligence, and in general trying to pander to a larger crowd of passive movie consumers.

Yes, I would fuck that slut.

ya breaking out the tin foil hats is def the best approach to this, right up there with blaming her for being attractive :coffee:

You used to need the tin foil hat to rescue the damsel in distress, and they made you beat the game twice just to get it. Now there’s a tutorial right at the beginning that holds your hand and practically gives it to you right away. Give me $150,000 and I’ll tell you all about my theories.