Damsel in Distress: The Discussion (Kickstarter Feminist plays video games)

Pretty sure that overeating and lack of self control is what gives them a bad image.

its more comfortable for them to stay fat n eating all kinds of shit instead of doing something productive about their issue

If they spent as much time exercising as they do complaining and eating then it wouldn’t be an issue.

The sad thing is they’d be waaaay more comfortable if they got in shape. They’d feel better physically and emotionally. smh

While I think the whole outrage over Fat Princess was retarded, it’s slightly less retarded than “why don’t you just lose some weight and stop being fat.”

No, I think being a gluttonous pig is pretty much the worst of the worst my fat friend.

It’s that simple, but then again, I’m sure the expectation of a woman working towards something has a feminist-assigned label that people can slap on it to act like it has any merit. The ridiculous insinuation that all negatives aspects of being a woman are horrible, but all positive benefits are horrible as well is so stupid. Same shit applies to videogames, which is an artform in of itself. If you don’t like the artistic vision behind a piece(s) then work to better your own abilities so you can get your own artistic taste out there, instead of trying to censor and shame people that make things that appeal to them and a multitude of other people. I don’t like Lil Wayne, but I churn out my own music and choose not to listen to him. If you don’t like the direction of a game, then don’t fucking play it. Ironically, one of the most overused feminist words applies here: ‘entitlement’, they feel they’re entitled to have everything catered to them and use the childlike complaint of WAAHHH BUT BOIZ CAN PLAY THIS GAME, THAT MEANS I NEED MY OWN SPECIFICALLY CATERED GAME OTHERWISE IT’S NOT FAAAAAAAAAAAIR ;_;

It’s simply shocking to me that people can’t sit down and enjoy a story strictly because the character isn’t the same gender as them, as if the situations they are in are strictly binary to their genitals. How often do you see games with female protagonists dealing with period pains or pregnancy, or prepubescent boys dealing with the strife that goes on with them? Instead, you get personal stories that could extend to either gender. So what’s the problem? Are women not so mentally developed that they can exhibit healthy mental processes equal to that of a child in early puberty? Is ‘I will put myself into this situation while recognizing that it doesn’t have to specifically be me there for me to feel a relation to it’ such a difficult fucking process to go through? Hell, in practically any game with heavy RPG elements, aka where your gender isn’t a linear progression and can be swayed by a different set of nads, you nearly always get a gender option.

Not any more retarded, then thinking its ok to be fat, and having serious health problems

That’s not the objection. The objection is that the representation of character types is overwhelmingly skewed to appeal to a very limited demographic. Most people will agree that this is the case, even if they doggedly insist that it isn’t a problem.

Fat Princess was a fantastic game. If you could get a decent crew of people going, the game would turn into an epic battle rather quickly. The game should be applauded for teaching all men something very basic about women: the slimmer and better looking she is, the easier it is for her to get picked up by random people, if she is fat as fuck then the chick is gonna stick around.

The game should commended also for its ability to make your character black. Being a black man who goes around stealing white princesses was pretty hilarious in a “Stormfront gonna be mad” type of way.

The important part in bold.

[details=Spoiler]…"It raises the question “who actually plays games?” Hecker showed a study by the ESA I think, that gave an answer to that question. The data showed a very healthy picture of the industry, average age of a player is 35, and various other averages were, uh, average-sounding. We seem to appeal to just about everyone so I guess we’re doing great after all.

But Hecker then used one of his super powers. Through his connections with the ESA, or wherever it was, he got the actual source data from the study. (I’m thinking he probably flew, Superman-style, through their windows and used a combination of x-ray vision and super-hackery skills to steal it from their computers, but who can say for sure?) The source data showed a different picture. All those average numbers came out looking ok because there are really two clusters of players who are really far apart. On one end, you have teenage boys playing military shooters on their Xboxes, and on the other end, you have old ladies playing bejeweled on the web. Each of those demographics is a really big cluster of users, but distilling it down to an average number in the middle, where comparatively very few users actually exist, is very deceptive."
http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2009/11/23/migs-chris-hecker.html
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Yes, it’s absolutely retarded to think being fat is okay from a health perspective. Agreed 100%. I’m going to the gym and eating less to rectify this. I expect to see myself on the Canada Cup 2012 stream as fatter than if I see myself on the Evo 2013 stream.

But if you honestly think it’s so fucking simple as simply “just lose some weight,” you’re fucking delusional.

This right here. I’m not sure why people don’t understand this.

Dunno why you spoiler tagged that. Yeah, even though I always think to myself “make sure you always look at the source of the survey/statistics”, I forgot to look at that myself. I’m exactly unsure of what the range of that number of male vs female gamer statistic. So, realistically, like I said earlier, it’d be more helpful if Anita did research on male and female gamers from the ages of 18-35 (an age group the industry normally aims for) and see how many of them actually care about if their lead character is male or female.

Schools let kids think it’s okay to be fat because they’re scared of anyone’s feelings getting hurt.

Except that isn’t the case, either. When their race and ethnic background don’t sway the character, then there is no need to worry about what their race or ethnic background is, same with their gender. The truth of the matter is that the women that can suspend their disbelief and enjoy their game, irregardless of what the character has in their pants or on their skin, are enjoying the games. Babies will forever be babies, however, and will never be happy unless they develop their own games to cater to their very specific needs. Solution? Put in the hard miles that other artists have gone through and band together with other likeminded people, as the video game industry is as inclusive of women as any other industry.

Being nurtured and cared for like a baby sure must be tough.

nope.

fatsses still get made fun of.

I think that actually is the objection given that the argument is aimed specifically at gender. The entire basis of anita’s thesis and the opinions of her apolgetics all boil down to the fact that a game’s worth all depends on the genitals the lead character has and the role they play. Not to mention the issue of representation and character types is a mess of contradiction at least in the way the argument is presented in it’s current form. To put it all simply, the true objection is that a lot of people (mainly women like anita) complain because the people they play in video games don’t happen to have vaginas like them and this is a problem cause…well cause vaginas are special.

Even assuming this is a sound generalization, that’s Anita Sarkeesian talking: self-styled ambassador of feminists to the world of video games. 'Scuse me while I make a dismissive wanking gesture.

And Republicans let kids think it’s okay to be fat because attempting to devise dietary standards for children is one more way that big government takes away our freedom.

Hey don’t shit on fat people…we need them as human shields for the zombie invasion.