Daigo sticking up for Ryu players

[SF09ers]

Pre-EVO 2014 Roundtable Discussion: 6 Top Players, including Daigo, talk about...

Daigo: What I really want to say is that Ryu has been unfairly treated among all the shotos. He is affected greatly by delay standing, and his firepower is very low. I don’t really care because I don’t use him any longer, but because there are many people that still use Ryu, I will speak on their behalf. From the very beginning, there are too many moves designed specially to counter Ryu!

Itazan: What are you talking about?

Daigo: One day I realized the truth. For example, Cody’s Zonk knuckle and Yun’s MP shoulder, these two moves are considered anti fireball moves, but you never see them used against Ken or Sagat.

Momochi: Now that you mention it I only use Cody’s Zonk knuckle against Ryu.

Kazunoko: Ken doesn’t really throw too many fireballs to begin with.

Daigo: If you say anti-fireball strategy, isn’t it strange if the move doesn’t go through Sagat’s tiger shot? That’s because those fireballs are ghosts. Ken’s Ultra 2 (Guren Shippukyaku) can’t be used on reaction against Guile or Dee Jay’s fireballs, and in the mirror matchup, Ken doesn’t really need to throw fireballs. Akuma’s footsies are really good so it’s hard to use there. In conclusion, Ryu is the only fireball character that you really use anti-fireball moves.

Momochi: Yeah I never use Ken UC2 as an anti-fireball move in other matchups.

Daigo: Why don’t we examine the matter from a different point of view. For example, lets pretend that I’m Guy and now Hozanto (shoulder) no longer goes through fireball. All Guy players would then think to themselves, “The Ryu matchup is so troublesome now.” In other words, the move is not an anti-fireball move, but rather should be called an anti-Ryu move to be more accurate.

Tokido: There’s no way they would do that on purpose though.

Daigo: Ryu’s footspeed is slow so he must rely on fireballs. It may not be on purpose, but this is the end result for Ryu. I just wanted to get this off my chest today and say it. Ryu is the ONLY character that is affected by so called “anti-fireball” moves and strategies.

I agree with everything he said here. Everyone else thinks Ryu is “easy mode” but they just don’t know. The struggle is REAL!

[CobraKai]

The capcom-unity scrubs would complain too much if they gave him any useful buffs. So they
gave him a new hair cut and shiny teeth as buffs in Ultra aka:

Jump forward/back middle punch: Can be cancelled into an air Tatsumaki
Shin Shoryuken: Invincibility increased (8F->9F)
Shin Shoryuken: Plays full animation if connected after an EX Shoryuken FADC cancel
…etc.

[Finkledoodoo]

Cobra Kai,
EX Shoryuken buff is a very important buff. It’s basically his red focus cancel, but has longer reach than his shitty focus attack…

[manbehindthewires]

Referring to them as anti-Ryu moves from now on #FightThePower

[CobraKai]

Cobra Kai,
EX Shoryuken buff is a very important buff. It’s basically his red focus cancel, but has longer reach than his shitty focus attack…

Are you talking about FADCing after EX Shoryuken ?

[Darkcloud20]

Really hope when the physical copy of USF4 comes out they do a few more balance changes and give Ryu something useful.

[lostweapon]

If I could have one thing it would be to make cr. mk into hadoken a true block string. You can take back every “buff” he got in ultra and I’d be satisfied with that lone buff. It’s amazing the bullshit that codys, bisons, guiles, yuns, hell, a majority of the cast can get away with when you try and control space or create pressure. It’s like the developers said…“hey, let’s make it so that nobody has to respect ryu’s blockstrings that end in hadoken.”

[Antiochli]

I keep reading people saying that Evil Ryu’s cr. mk xx Hado is a true blockstring and that Ryu’s cr. mk xx Hado is not. When I look at the frame data what am I looking for to determine what’s a true block string and what’s not? Is it the active frames of their medium kick, since Evil Ryu has two less frames? 'Cause the advantage on a blocked Hadoken is the same.

[Dannkk]

It has to do with how much block stun the attack has, and that’s not listed in the frame data. At least not for all the characters. Someone did the math on it for eryu. He get’s 16 frames of block stun, so when you cancel to hado, that starts up in 13 frames. True block string. Really, tho, Eryu’s is just a true block string at a much greater distance than normal Ryu’s. It’s not always a true block string and it doesn’t even always combo.

[SF09ers]

Cobra Kai,
EX Shoryuken buff is a very important buff. It’s basically his red focus cancel, but has longer reach than his shitty focus attack…

Are you talking about FADCing after EX Shoryuken ?

I don’t see how this is useful besides comboing into ultra 2 which no one ever uses.

[Antiochli]

It has to do with how much block stun the attack has, and that’s not listed in the frame data. At least not for all the characters. Someone did the math on it for eryu. He get’s 16 frames of block stun, so when you cancel to hado, that starts up in 13 frames. True block string. Really, tho, Eryu’s is just a true block string at a much greater distance than normal Ryu’s. It’s not always a true block string and it doesn’t even always combo.

Okay that’s good to know. But Ryu’s crouching medium kick does 15 frames of block stun and his hadoken starts up in 13 frames. How’s that not a block string? Is it just that one extra frame of advantage that makes the difference, distance depending

[Finkledoodoo]

Cobra Kai,
EX Shoryuken buff is a very important buff. It’s basically his red focus cancel, but has longer reach than his shitty focus attack…

Are you talking about FADCing after EX Shoryuken ?

Yeah

Cobra Kai,
EX Shoryuken buff is a very important buff. It’s basically his red focus cancel, but has longer reach than his shitty focus attack…

Are you talking about FADCing after EX Shoryuken ?

I don’t see how this is useful besides comboing into ultra 2 which no one ever uses.

Do a red focus combo into either ultra, you’ll probably need the corner. Do the same combo, but change the red focus to ex dp fadc. The damage will be better on the ex dp version and the same amount of meter is used…

[Dannkk]

It has to do with how much block stun the attack has, and that’s not listed in the frame data. At least not for all the characters. Someone did the math on it for eryu. He get’s 16 frames of block stun, so when you cancel to hado, that starts up in 13 frames. True block string. Really, tho, Eryu’s is just a true block string at a much greater distance than normal Ryu’s. It’s not always a true block string and it doesn’t even always combo.

Okay that’s good to know. But Ryu’s crouching medium kick does 15 frames of block stun and his hadoken starts up in 13 frames. How’s that not a block string? Is it just that one extra frame of advantage that makes the difference, distance depending

Ryu can use c.mk xx fireball as a true block string. Just at a shorter range than Eryu(his is 16 frames, with the same fireball).

[Antiochli]

It has to do with how much block stun the attack has, and that’s not listed in the frame data. At least not for all the characters. Someone did the math on it for eryu. He get’s 16 frames of block stun, so when you cancel to hado, that starts up in 13 frames. True block string. Really, tho, Eryu’s is just a true block string at a much greater distance than normal Ryu’s. It’s not always a true block string and it doesn’t even always combo.

Okay that’s good to know. But Ryu’s crouching medium kick does 15 frames of block stun and his hadoken starts up in 13 frames. How’s that not a block string? Is it just that one extra frame of advantage that makes the difference, distance depending

Ryu can use c.mk xx fireball as a true block string. Just at a shorter range than Eryu(his is 16 frames, with the same fireball).

Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the reply.