Well, i don’t know who told u, but Geese is definitly high tier. And Eagle and rolento are mid. Geese does way to much damage to be low and he takes damage a little better then a low tier character.
Umm…, i have the same problem against rush down a groovers like akuma. But, when i get to my ratio 2 vega, i can usually make a good come back because hit and run works well. I think u just have to counter. If they use shotos (or any other quick rushers) to rushdown, then do a DP or a rising tackle (if u happen to pick a character that can) right when u get up. Most people start jabbing at u before u even get up and Rising moves like the DP win out everytime. U can even do a super as u get up, supers win out too. When they get smart and wait till u get up to jab, then just take the jabs and counter hit them. N and C grooves work well against rush down characters too because they have the counter hit abilty. You know, -> + mk+mp.
You not should fear the rushdowners anyways, the best ones like akuma take a shit load of damage in return so u can beat them easily if u can counter, u just have to reconize attack pattern.
Oh…, and i know i talk about tiers and shit alot, but i personally feel that its the skill of the player. But sometimes its hard to say that when u see a ratio 2 chun li kick ratio 1 rugals ass, but still loses because rugal got about 4 lucky shots and in, and those shots were enough to win while chun li controlled the match and out hit rugal 3 to 1. Well, done contradicting myself again.
c.fierce is too useful in too many situations, that’s why sagat’s so good. why use jab, when c.fierce is almost as fast and does like 10x more damage.
also, Rolento is definitely high tier. He’s too mobile and too versatile to not be considered anything below the top of the 2nd tier.
again, also, to guy who keeps on talking about high tier rushdown and low tier damage taking. That’s crap. Tiers are not defined by those things, they are defined by how well a character matches up compared to each other, it’s a system of ranking amongst characters. So, saying Akuma takes low tier damage is retarded. Yes, he takes a lot of damage, but, there are plenty of low tier characters that don’t take damage like Akuma.
i THINK what he is trying to, or hopefully, trying to say is that the degree of the tiers aren’t as bad as the degree of tiers in MvC2. i do disagree…and i believe there are tiers, but i mean shit; u can’t say it is to the same degree as MvC2, because MvC2 is just ridiculous with that shit (spelling?)
Yeah, that guy contradicts everything he says like me. If he didn’t saying anything about high and low tier, then it would make sense because it would be a good arugment that tiers don’t exsist and its the skill the counts. Sounds like he is saything that speed determines tier. Although that would make a good argument as well…
Oh, i didn’t say anything about high vs low tier rushdowners, what i siad is for all characters in general. I just used akuma as an example because he is one the best rushdown characters and because kicks my ass all the time and i get sick of those damn akuma users in Pinball arcade i go to. Plus if u notice, i never used the word tier once when i talked about rushdown characters. I only stated tier in the begining and at the end when i took everything back.
Well, in terms of tier, i think of it as how well a character takes and deals damage, which is pretty much how charactes are compared anyways in the top and low tier ranking system if u think about it.
i played against this dude who was sagat (ratio 1) and akuma (ratio 3).
i was blanka, akuma, terry (ratio 2)…on c groove.
this dude was seriously kicking my ass. blanka and akuma died because of sagat. but i was able to beat him with terry…taking a few hits too. so it was terry v. akuma. even with the higher ratio, and i think better skills, i was able to beat my opponent.
don’t know if that has anything to do with the price of rice in china, but hey, couldn’t help but add some input. i guess akuma does take hits pretty badly.
what i’m saying is that there are no tiers at all in this game . . . The only reason why that is so is becuase of parrying . . . most people would say Dhaslim is low tier, and y would they say that? becuase they don’t know how to play him. hell i don’t know how to play dhaslim but in the hands of someone who does he is very dangerous, i’ve witnessed it first hand. Recently i’ve been kicking people ass with my “low tier” Dan. The truth is he really isn’t low tier, it’s just that most people don’t know his moves and don’t want to play him becuase he has a weak fireball and his dragon punch isn’t as good as ken or ryu. Dan is actually a really good character. his qcb+wk has priority over many moves and he has the best jumping short i’ve seen. nak has the best jab in the game and the list goes on for other char., this game has no tiers, everyone has a fair chance at winning. And by the way Sagats crouching fierce is not that great. many people have been whining about it for a while but i find it to be one of the most punishable moves. ANd another thing, Blanka isn’t that hard to beat either, jumping short or jumping jab beats out 95% of his moves. SAVE TIERS FOR MVC2, that’s where they belong.
oh yeah ourobus, suck a dick until u hiccup:lol:
the crouching fierce isn’t that reliable, i always punish people when they try to do it. it’s so predictable, once u pick sagat i already know u r gonna try to abuse c.fp so then i’ll cross u up with Ken and then combo or use my super, very simple. Same with Blanka, just jab that bitch to death,
if u ever come to New York come to Stony Brook University, u will see so many people play “low tier” characters, and after we beat your ass with them we will pick “top tier” char. and murder u again . . .then u will see that there is no tiers in this game . . .i’m guessing that many of you haven’t really seen top level play, becuase if u have then u would know that there are no tiers, but you are entitled to your own opinion as well as i am, so go ahead and believe that their are tiers, hey it just might help u lose quicker . . . i played this guy last night with my k-groove dan, he said “ooooo i’m so scared of Dan”, i was like okay you’ll see, and about 2min. later the guy lost, why u ask?, becuase he believed in tiers. . . . he already had it set in his mind that Dan sucks so his cockiness made him lose, but anyways i’ll leave you all to your tier discussion, lmao:lol: :lol: :lol: i like coming to read this thread it’s so funny to hear about this tier shit:lol:
i mean i agree with you to a certain extent but i mean you can’t say that all of the characters are fairly equal. can you? i mean sagat’s c.fp isn’t a godly c.fp. (like athena c.fp) but i mean u said blanka was easily beaten by jabs and shorts because they beat out 95% of his moves, i would be shocked if a jab or short took him out of his moves if they are roll cancelled.
u just gotta play smart. blanka isn’t the only person that could roll cancel, everyone can (i know u know that), so that puts all characters on a level playing field. Now if only 5 char. could roll cancel then i would say that there are definately tiers in this game but that’s not the case . . . everyone can roll, dodge, parry, counter movement, counter, and so on depending on the groove u use. Now the only reason y i would say that most people think there are tiers is becuase they haven’t used everyone in the game and in all the grooves (i have personally). After doing that i found that every player has a chance at winning, especially Dan, the most underated player in the game. That’s y i’m not so surpised anymore when people lose to him, he is slowly becoming a regularly used player in the game. i’ve beaten so many people with him that my opponents treat him the same way they treat my ken . . .and yes athena’s c.fp is very good
thats purty interesting, and after reading i have a question for you. i use k-groove purty dayum well i think; and have found four people that i think are good k-groovers (rock, geese, gief, and sagat; yes, i know im not the first to notice this), but i just wanted to know some other good k-groovers, it seems like it takes away from a lot of people. if you could give me a list of other good k-groovers it would be GREATLY appreciated.
Yamakazi
E Honda
Vega
Raiden
Cammy
Hibiki
And pretty much any character that can be used well in P groove can be used here too like guile, kim, and even maki. But the best i think would be Yama, E Honda, Gief, Rock, Sagat and Geese.
There are some more but i can’t really think of any right now. I became K groover just recently. My usual team is,
Geese, sometimes rock or hikiki at ratio 1
Bison, ratio 1 or 2
Vega, ratio 1 or 2
I know that bison isn’t actually the best for this groove, but he is my best character so i use him anyways. But, even though K isn’t considered his best groove, bison is still pretty good here…, rushdown always helps.
CaliAgent is crazy for thinking there are no tiers…dont get me wrong “low tiers” can be just as good as “Top Tiers” it just depends on the player and groove…Like K anyone usually is good depending on if u can JD and what not…Just like Grooves …any groove can be top tier it depends on if a top tier player is backing them up…even S groove…Peeps think it’s silly but there is something behind playing S it’s different…anti-RC…and good rush down…So CaliAgent your points are good but dont be ignorant to the truth…The K dan story was nice but come to Kali trying that and it would be alot harder trust me…GL to u…Peace…
god caliagent, you’re so very wrong on so many levels.
the only reason you have these opinions is because you’ve never played anyone who knows what they’re doing. There are definitely tiers in the game. Why play dan when sagat does everything dan does, but better (err, aside from suicide super and taunting).
anyways, as Seth killian put it, “you can’t lead a scrub to water.”
