Hit me tomorrow morning/afternoon if you free… I called him about it but got answering machine.
humm seems like stider/doom are going to replace magneto/psy :rolleyes:
I want to try to get this NB4 thing started up this season now that EVO is over. Hopefully some of the supporters in this thread will be willing to throw some NB4 tournaments. I want to try to get the ball rolling on some tournaments. Hopefully, maybe get some supporters of this idea to try to start these tournies in your area, around the same time. I guess the date I would like is like a month or two from now just to get people time to organize and promote and such. I think that would be tight. 73.41% voted yes so of you who did who thinks they would be willing to get some tournaments rolling? Ironman is included since the majority thinks he is not tops. What does everybody think of Vegita-Xs idea of Magz with no anti-air? As far as entry fees for these tournies I think probably pretty low like $5 at first since more than likely this will be a side thing with people already playing MvC2 regularly to begin with. Well hit me up on this folks!
Mags is fucking GOD Like top tier so Hell no I don’t agree with it cause that fool can get his Infiet his Infi-Off from alot of bull on the real and he isn’t limited by much when the anti-air is relenquished.
Iam still down for these tournies though, Hopefully Bootleg has the Ball rolling at dragonhord, but those guys can’t charge us an arma and a leg to play there when they DON"t charge any of the versus or Yugioh heads who DON’T really attend there often anyways, we shouldn’t be any exception hell I could ask larry to find out about comic companies location and do it there, cause we did madden before.
mods do not sticky this… this is a terrible idea… why?
because if you take out the big 4 then you have a new big 5… basically, anyone who doesn’t pick bh/doom/strider/im/spiral is going to get scraped. most of the cast has no way of dealing with bh/doom/commando and thats waaay less fun than playing cable/sent, trust me. If you played marvel long enough you’d know that there is a second tier that is way above the middle of the cast. If you want to have side games or a system in the byoc room where you ban certain characters that is fine but you’re still joking yourself in thinking that you’re playing marvel. Don’t let good characters be an excuse for being shitty at a game. Tournament results are going to be exactly the same no matter what characters you allow.
If you do this make sure you get some vids.
If I can be too honest:
This is a cute idea for people who haven’t been playing the game from the begining.
The real issue is that everyone is a scrub. The game will quickly devolve into stupid Cammy air combo bullshit. People aren’t going to be playing Anakaris, or even Dhalsim. Megaman will get some love, but not much. People won’t even play WOLVERINE, this is going to be some retarded Cammy/Strider/Jill nonsense, with random Kens thrown in because of his assist. And a bunch of copycat Rogue players who wil get the shit kicked out of them.
Are people really that fucking scared to lose, that they won’t play, say, Hulk (or whatever character they’d like to), vs people with serious teams? If you have some “low tier” (thinking of them that way is step 1 to losing, btw), vs people with serious teams? How about you grow some nuts like VX, Zaza, Mike Z, Preppy, Julius Jackson, even Clock, Duc, Combofiend or Stilt…(the fact that people thing Strider/Doom and Spiral teams are “low tier” is a whooole 'nother rant)…I can’t believe people are to pussy to stop playing MSP or Scrub or S/S/AAA for a day and actually try some shit out with some characters they like. You guys aren’t winning tournaments anyway. Sorry.
I can’t even believe people when they say they like the game…not enough to lose, or try new characters, apparently. I’m not bashing people for who they pick, I could care less if you want to play MSP…but if you want to play something else, why are you scared…?
That said, this tournamet would devolve into stupid bullshit REAL quickly. Cammy will be a big draw, because she keeps a decent assist, in addition to being scrub bait. If a non-top-tier league ever got going, it wold just be people who X-COPY whatever looks nice, just like now. There are not more players looking to find shit in the Marvel scene, IMO…there are FEWER. A couple of people might look for new shit, but… It’s not the characters, it’s the players.
What you do by banning any number of top assists is make the game even more scrubby. More characters are viable, but you’re not playing them to their fullest potential. It’s like playing Magneto without any sort of AAA or Sent-A, etc. You’ve eliminated the best possible team for Magneto, because you took away who works best for him. You do the same for a bunch of characters when you strip away Cyclops, Doom, Psylocke, Tron, etc. You also make some characters a bit less useful, generally speaking…you can be a great battery character, but building five meters for Spider-Man is not as big a deal as building them for Cable. You also eliminate a bunch of good DHCs, etc.
i dont think its such a bad idea, if anything, it would bring new players into the scene imo, and hopefully they would get the tourney bug and start going to tournaments, etc. sure if makes the game “retarded” from our top tier POV, but who cares? thats not the point imo. potential players dont know these kind of fine nuances at first.
I think it goes beyond just banning top 4 tho, a decent idea was that ranking system nec had with the ratios, then as more chars win you could just keep adjusting the ratios, so the game would keep changing (not nessecarily banning chars, but by moving chars from r2 to r1 and vice versa you would effectively be changing the team makeup).
TS, I think your exaggerating a bit, if there is one game that US players know it’s MvC2, you can only be as creative as the engine allows. The fact that there is teamplay just makes the task of using all the chars near-impossible.
The thing i don’t think some realize is that other popular games already do what is being proposing, through patches. The problem is that we can’t patch the game, we can just ban, but it should work out ok. Someone needs to go do this to A3.
Well I still think its a great Idea, Yes anyone with money on the line si always interested in winning first so with that in mind you play with you so called best team.
But in this feature teams would be so random, true most would go the cheap way and Attempt to play Strider doom all day but, what makes it even more fun is being able to demoilish that squad wit Guile Felicia Thanos 
(just useing a horrible example is all)
I just want to bring back the fun along side the competiveness.
He can combo into his super, from a J.LK into Hyper Megaman!
(Only the J.LK though.)
(I was bored.)
Presenting: The Roll System.
5 points
Storm, Cable, Sentinel, Magneto
4 points
Dr. Doom, Cyclops, Spiral, Blackheart, Tron…
3 points
Strider, Captian Commando, Megaman, Omega Red, Psylocke, Dhalsim, Cammy etc…
2 points
Basically everybody else
0 points
Roll
You get 10 points in making a team. Tron is where she is because of her assist.
My problem is, I don’t wanna see Storm/Sent/Roll. It’s not the best team, but if I see someone lose to that, It will make me sad. Maybe it should be nine points? Or maybe just bump Roll up to one point? I’d hate to see Spiral/Sent/Roll mopping people up, too.
The system would still allow for ugly stuff…Blackheart/Doom/AAA (maybe I should move Commando somewhere). An exception would be made for Strider/Doom, that’s also a Roll team.
Thoughts?
It’s not a bad idea at all.
I used to subscribe to the “if it’s in the game, it’s in the game” logic. That logic is folly though.
Sports evolve. The rules in football change every year. Any competitive game goes through rules tweaks. The problem is we don’t program fighting games so we don’t set the rules.
I am against stupid rules like “no camping” and “no roll cancels” because they are impossible to enforce and are very grey. But banning characters is a black and white issue.
Whether or not this particular idea has merit, who knows? Might as well try it. But players agreeing to change the rules is an idea long past due.
How much better would A2 have been had CCs been banned? (Hint: at least twice as good)
If Chess had some really really dumb rule that basically ruined the game the rule would get changed.
Note this isn’t about making the game easier or harder. Banning a character or technique for EVERYONE doesn’t do anything at all to game difficulty.
this thread was dead, why did u bump it asking for it not to be stickied?
this will not fly. sorry to be realistic
- Everyone should be at least 1 point
- The point IMO should not be to encourage characters like roll/servbot, but to just make the middle 20 or so characters more useful.
- You seem to be making an assumption that characters like OR, Cammy, sim, MM would be any good in the new game. IMO we should stick with what has actually proven to be good, Tron is not a 4 point character, half the 3 point characters are too high as well.
- Sentinel, storm, and magneto cannot exist on any teams, probably cable as well.
storm/sent/roll will be the best team…
3 Collosuses will become god-tier soon enough.
:tup:
Whenever you ban the current top tier you’re going to end up with a new top tier. We’ve seen this with XBL KoF2k3; softbanning Duo Lon has just created a new top tier of Ash, K’, Malin, and Daimon.
I think your concept could lead to some fun games, but don’t worry too much about Iron Man. Sure, he’s good, but banning him just means the next tier down will be good. Dropping the big four will make people play new characters. That’s enough to achieve your goal of bringing fresh air into the scene.