yes, there are people watching videos of the same four teams
like robust said, the most interesting shit in this game is seeing how different regions fare against each other due to differing styles of the same teams
mag storm and sentinel all have variety to what they can do during matches, this isn’t common in the lower tiers. with characters like amingo, ryu, gambit, etc have no air dash, no double or triple jump. because of these hindrances watching a bunch of low tier matches would be fuckin boring, it would be like watching “the same four teams” except without all the fancy shit those “same four teams” can do.
tired of seeing resets and zoning with sentinel and cable?
imagine watching a ken fight zangief. it would be like watching a magneto without air dash or speed against cable without a gun.
so basically, all of you can either bitch about how boring top tier is and then realize that its the same shit when its just the low tier (minus crazy resets) or you can do what people like kai, zaza, mikez, clock, vegita-x and a few others are doing and say fuck the tiering you’ll win regardless.
If you ask me mvc2 is still fun, way fun I like playing my sabretooth, zangief, omega red, juggernaut teams against top tier but i think this could be a really fun game of itself. Seperate from mvc2, not “fixing it”
Host ONE tournament of this, and see how it goes, then decide on after. I’m also a player of the big 4 (MSP I love you :tup: ) and imo, I think it would be rather interesting to see just one tournament where the Big 4 where not used, you’d probably see some crazy teams pop up from this, but it would be cool to watch. I have to agree though, it would be slower pace, whenever it happens or should I say, “if” it ever happens, it would be cool to see the results. Servbot/Roll/Dan<—The true Top Tier team
For those who wanted to see spiral/sabertooth in action there is a part on the “tricks of the trade/video bible collection - spiral” video that shows how that is set up. I got it off the go for broke hub a while back.
I think the tourney would be a good idea, if only to make more interesting tournamnet vids. I would love to see what the top players could pull out with little seen characters. It would at least be fun.
They set up a tourney here with no top tier characters involved. Big 4, Blackheart, Iron Man, Doom, Spiral, Cyke, Strider and Warm Machine were not allowed. All you saw were Rogue/Morrigan/Cammy/Colossus, and Tron. It was boring, repetative, and loooooong. Trust me after one of these even the scrubs didn’t want another tourney like that again.
But you wanna elmeminate the big 4 and leave, so Strider/Doom/AAA would likely own everything with no problem. I would imagine BH/Cyke could do whatever they wanted too.
A lot of this “so-and-so would own” sounds even more theory-fightered out than regular, garden-variety theory fighter (which says a lot).
Doom wouldn’t run $hit, because the average player can wavedash nowadays. This isn’t 2001 anymore.
Commando-b wouldn’t run $hit either, it’s still good but without hailstorm/AHVB/HSF backup you’d have to be a lot more cautious than I see people being ordinarily because now the fact that he sits there with his fist in the ground for a whole second of lag actually means something.
A new “top tier” would surely develop, but it might not be the characters you’d expect. Personally I’m thinking Cyke, glitched Jugg… who knows who else. Colossus becomes pretty beast too. But of course, with all that being said, my guess is no better than anybody else’s.
Offhand, Ryu has a lot of tools Megaman doesn’t. lp. SRK xx super, air hurricanes to close distance, fireballs just as fast (also variable timing), super hurricane (yes it has a purpose), much more effective AA assist (more handy I think), etc.
Sure, Megaman’s great for zoning, but Ryu’s more flexible in a lot of ways. Where’s that Ryu player from Sac? TS, or something like that?
Interesting replies, and the teams you think would be on top. Also, that most think Iron Man isn’t top tier, but like the idea of NB4 Marvel. Also, I do agree with Juggrknott, it isn’t 2001 anymore and new techniques learned in the game would more than likely limit or break old traps.
Dude not to sound rude but Ryu is pretty low tier i’d take megaman any day of the week.
Lp…srk…super?
um that won’t combo dude, if you mean srk xxx super you can just tiger knee it and even then it has alot of lags afterwards and on top of that even if you hit you might get crossed up if they roll.
Super hurricane…what use? it can be pushblocked and punished…you can TRY to land his semi infinite combo in the corner if you are facing away but that’s impractical, outside of assists you wont’ be landing it and it doesn’t do THAT much damage either for the meter you waste. The only way to combo it iirc is opponent in the corner, c. lk, hadouken, xxx tatsmak but that isn’t that great IMO either.
I’m assuming you mean j. fp xxx hurricane kick to close distance because ground hurricane is suicide…even j. fp hurricane has to be done sparringly or you’ll get hit by AAA/Mag’s short/ Ahvb although it is good.
Megaman can keep rushdown out really well with rockball traps with sent y, he has his j. fp which he can use like a sonic boom and chase after it. He has a infinite he can combo into by himself (sort of) after a air throw that’s close to the ground, beat plane chip, good stamina, instant overhead roundhouse, three 1 frame ground normals (!!!) and a wall jump + some good assists (mainly projectile assist).
Megaman is pretty up there right around rogue level (under the second tier) he can keep away pretty well, is short and has damaging comboes on top of that (although he can’t combo into his supers =/) j.fp does 20 damage too so even normal air comboes do nice chunks of damage.
Even so the main point was it’s easier to close gaps between characters weaker than the top 4 so all this talk about it being exactly the same with a new top tier is baloney.
it took a while before we develeped the teams we have now, I also said tronne and all the other big assists should go (psylocke, doom, commando, tronne)
You can’t expect people to innovate right away if people actually took it seriously people could easily start winning with zangief, or ryu or some other teams after all even in “impossible to play low tiers” mvc2 we have vegita x, viscant and joe zaza who played rogue, bison and wolverine respectively, if you can make wolverine work against current top 4 i think you can handle collosus with ryu if you don’t bitch out and expect it to just happen.
BTW Of course it got repetitive you guy actually kept tronne what the hell is a matter with you? she does TOO MUCH damage already now you take away all the top characters who do the most damage and leave tronne in? of course everyone is going to pick her as a assist.
The tourney is a good idea, but if you can ban more than 4 characters, like Jin said, go ahead. IMO other than the big four, the top assists and upper mid should go as well .Capcom, Psy, Tron, as well as Cyke, Strider, Doom, Spiral , IM/WM and BH.
I can’t really think of anything outright dominating once all those are gone.
Random team tourneys are cool too. I hosted one a long time ago. Same characters for both players in the matchup, but they choose the order and assist.
Just seeing what i have so far, it makes for some interesting combinations.
I mean on the one hand you still have anakaris, sim and rogue but also you don’t have alot of assists that’ll keep them in block stun as much as tronne does for example or a threatening assist like psylocke aaa.
on the other hand you have mega man, ice man and silver samura but you dont’ have the screen chopping commando or the excessively chipping doom.
Most anti airs can’t really be comboed off of so they are more balanced, sure they get them off of you but it’s usually someone like ken or ryu that has them which may warrant them on your team.
Poking might actually become a tad more viable now that you can’t get hit by psylocke and comboed afterward. ect. but really unless people play it i’m not sure how it would be.
I think I saw this before on zachd.com
rowtron even took part and played teams like Amingo/Sabretooth/Ken
Blackheart/Colossus/Guile
It looked allright, but for the most part players were just messing around. Definitely get vids, it’s nice to see low tiers every now and then :tup:
I think this is a fantastic Idea. In a traditional game with around 20 chars, banning the top 3 or four would take away the point of the game, but this game has 56 chars. I mean like Higher-Jin said, it would be a totally different game and if done right it could breathe new life into Marvel for a great many people who really want to still play Marvel but find that it is dying. It could be a different league, like baseballs national league or american league. Im definately for this.
I’m kinda torn on this idea. Sure, eliminating God Tier would bring about amazing change in marvel, specially since it would hilight certain aspects of the top/mid/low tiers that would commonly go unnoticed. I would definitely not mind seeing Rogue as popularized as Storm, seeing how she has tri-jumping (ok, dive kick, whatever), air dashing, and many high-priority moves few people (cough VegetaX, Jumpee, Earl <RIP>cough) exploit.
However, I think certain noteworthy advantages will emerge from those who lack air-dashing and tri-jumping, which will end up countering those guys. It’s gonna be an interesting endeavor, these tourneys!
Preciate all the responses people, keep ‘em comin’! Well, so far it seems like a good idea, if yall can, let other peepz know about it and tell them to post their votez. Hopefully I can get this thing rollin’!
what the hell is a matter with you? she does TOO MUCH damage already now you take away all the top characters who do the most damage and leave tronne in? of course everyone is going to pick her as a assist.