Please enlighten me as to how Kyo COUNTERS a Zangief that is doing RC Lariats.
hmmm, i wonder who the big gief fan is here? 
hey gunter, does ANYBODY beat a RC gief? couldn’t C-chun li just dance outside of his lariat range, bait a RC kick lariat, and standing/crouching mp xx death? or is the recovery on the RC kick lariat THAT short? it would seem that if gief is that good with RC’s, then he would be played more…
can someone tell me how mai counters cammy?
Vega (gay claw dude) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yamazaki
as i recall, Viscant said this is the worst matchup in the game.
Sagat > Vega. Vega does too little vs Sagat. Sagat does too much to Vega. besides, vega’s claw pokes are too slow vs Sagat.
Guile > Chun Li ?
Someone enlighten me on this matchup. It seems that Chun Li cannot jump at Guile whatsoever, and standing/crouching mp gets outranged and beaten by guiles c.mk, standing hk, sonic booms, etc. The only thing I can see chun li doing is RC sbk and super jumping over guile.
Blanka > Morrigan:D j.mk doesnt get stuff with morrigans trip guard c.lk. hop back avoids her flying game pretty well. c.hp stuffs her fireball. besides, morrigan can’t punish blanka ball except level 3.
Its a hard match for rolento. But Rolento can zone her pretty well. a missed cannon drill can get slided and a missed hk or hp by cammy gets counter poked. Rolento dishes out more damage per hit and has better stamina. Don’t let her get close cuz if she does, its pretty much over.
C-Chun is a totally different match from Cammy for Gief. Against Cammy, Gief has to worry about drills, s.fierce, s.forward, s.roundhouse, and c.forward. All but c.forward can be Kick Lariated on reaction. Since Kick Lariat has 38 frames of invincibility from the knees down, c.forward whiffs. Due to the length of her roll, she can’t pass through pokes. This is one of the main reasons Cammy isn’t rated so high anymore in Japan. She’s extremely one-dimensional. All she has is pokes going for her. With RC Lariat, you’re taking most of that away.
Chun Li has pokes also, but in addition to that she has a fireball, a RELIABLE level 2 cancel off of strong (max range c.forward to super is iffy for Cammy), and a GC string against big characters (blocked SBK… and she can mix up speeds as she wishes to keep Gief guessing - if Gief goes for SPD, she jumps straight up, comes down with a combo into super or SBK again). She also has RC Legs that sets up a c.jab, c.strong, super combo.
CBS matches are fun for Gief. C-CHUN is annoying.
NOBODY BEATS RC GIEF. I DO WALK BACK RC KICK LARIATS ALL DAY AND IT’S OVER… :lol:
if you are playing with chunli’s that jump in at Guile, then you are playing with dumb chuns. Chun is WAAYY faster than guile, and that means better footsie game. Chun’s Cross up lk will break Guiles charge, and it also beats flash kick. so Chun > Guile
who can counter mai? that bitch is too fast for me
i think Gief can counter mai, i have to look into that though.
There is a huge difference between “being able to beat” and “beating”… and in some cases/vocabularies “countering”. Athena is the only character in my experience that flat out beats Gief (although P/K probably have a better matchup against her… I’d probably do better if I mastered RC Running Grab also). Rolento is bad too because he is so mobile. As I’ve pointed out, Chun is a difficult match also. There are probably/likely a few others, but RC Lariats alone make matchups a LOT easier than before the RC-era - ESPECIALLY the CBS matches.
this makes no fuckin sense what so ever.
As I said before, Guiles c.mk, standing hk, sonic booms outranges chun li’s pokes.
eagle
Kyo can df+hk into it when Zangief is about to recover, Zangief gets hit by it since it already “in” him. Zangief can’t do much if you carefully poke with Kyo, but it’s not like Kyo owns him. Kyo’s low jump give him problems, but I use seldomly cause the RC lariets. My friend RC’s everything to zangief and he can’t do much to Kyo. The combination of all Kyo’s roundouses gives 'gief trouble. I do know not all people play the same, and I never seen your 'gief play, but I have yet to be wrong. I will admit though, P/K Zangief is a bitch. I’d rather fight him with RC. Post what you think how you would play the match, you might enlighten me:lol: .
Since there is much talk of geif. I think strong gief beat strong kim.
My friend does RC RBG with Zangief, it’s so annoying:mad:
Balrog<Gief
Even when I RC dash punch I seem to lose this match.
Cammy<Kyo
Rolento>Yama
Kim<Cammy
Sagat<Hibiki
Blanka<Hibiki
Honda<Hibiki
Sakura<Hibki
Chun<Hibiki
Gief<Hibiki ( a very, very, hard match tho)
Vega>Hibiki
Haohmaru>Blanka
Eagle>Bison
Eagle (A) ? Sagat. Someone please explain this match cause I haven’t had it yet and I heard Eagle loses. Shit, I though he won.
:wtf: Your counter characters make little sense to me.
edit: For the Guile-Chun matchup, cant guile easily stop crossup attempts with his c.fierce?
Ok. You’re usually right so I give benefit of the doubt and ask for explanation.
Here’s what I have seen: Balrog vs Blanka. I don’t think it’s possible to slide st fierce on reaction unless the Balrog is ultra predictable. Therefore, your slides may be blocked. What am I missing?
For Cammy vs Zangief. I was under the distinct impression that RC kick lariat can be punished if it whiffs with st roundhouse. The invincibility doesn’t last that long. Unless you are anticipating pokes and doing lariat, it doesn’t seem that you can RC lariat a Cammy poke on reaction.
I think the damage is the only thing Zangief has going for him here. How do you use the RC lariat with such effecitveness? (especially since Zangief can’t get in if Cammy doesn’t want him to)
Edit: I just read the rest of the thread because I hate reading threads through before replying. So I change my question: what kind of ungodly reflexes do you have to have to slide against Balrog fierces and RC lariat Cammy pokes on reaction?
iori > kim
Kyo > cammy
chun > sagat & cammy
Kim > rugal, shotos, yamazaki