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Arcades aren’t dead, I just saw a MvC2 cabinet today
old enough to know that you are a snot-nosed punk and a total idiot starting a thread like this with nary an idea of what arcade culture was really like back in the day…
your point is moot. arcades are dead because snot-nosed punks like you are too lazy to patronize their local arcade just because Dave and Buster’s didn’t have fighting games or hold any tournies or shit that would be crazy and whatnot excuse to stay at home…
oh yeah, and i totally missed the 80’s/90’s from playing too much sf2/ce/hf at the time… cool story bro…
peace out.
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bitch im 26 years old… look at the OP… i support arcades
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uhmmmm duuuuuh…
you bring up a notable facet of the “issue” when it comes to the games and units which is great, but i think it is just part of the overall idea why the community had shifted to console usage [the dreamcast being a very good console at the time]. this is all well and good, don’t you think?
i don’t mean to rag on you SuperFreak, but it’s this mode of thinking that has also heavily factored into the arcade scene’s decline. instead of maintaining the arcade-based community that had been a big factor of the FGC, everybody can just stay home or visit their friends and totally level up their skills by playing the same people every time so that when you do show up at the arcade, some “random dude” can totally pwn you for free. oh yeah, EVERYBODY can totally afford $200++ dual modded sticks anytime they felt like buying one: “hey, i’ma buy three, use one for my games and the other two can be a doorstop.” lastly, why would you need to drive somewhere when you can have the exact same experience at home so that you can troll better online and feel like you really are a badass player for having a couple thousand games on your gamertag.
sheesh. why do you think the major tournies keep asking for players to show up in person at the event? have you heard of anybody placing top 8 in a major tourney just 'cause they were playing online like mad for weeks?
peace out.
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if you were, you wouldn’t even start this EPIC FAILURE of a thread in the first place. it’s poseurs like you that contribute to the further degeneration of the community. oh yeah, i’m 26 as well… cool story bro…
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I’m pretty sure the commonly cited point for the decline of arcades in the US is the around the Dreamcast era. During SNES and Genesis, the arcade ports of SFII weren’t the same, and you couldn’t really get the same type of experience. The Dreamcast was the first console to start matching the arcade in terms of power and graphics.
A large portion of an arcade’s revenue is based around people looking for a good time on a weekend. Regulars that show up consistently do provide a steady stream of income, but they don’t bring in the money that keeps an arcade alive and thriving. Arcade machines aren’t cheap, and maintaining them isn’t free either. When the DC era hit, people were really able to start to get games that approximated arcade level graphics and there was less of an incentive to go out to play something unique when there’s a console capable of doing the same thing available without having to take a drive. Of course the regulars would keep going to the arcade, they’re the people who really like that atmosphere. But the people who are just looking to have some fun playing video games when they have time off now have something more convenient.
The number of people who take fighting games, or any game serious enough to be competitive at it is vastly dwarfed by the number of people who just want to play a game to have some fun. The only people who will support arcades now are the hardcore crowd, and we just don’t have the numbers to support the same number of arcades as before.
If any arcade would open up now, to be economically viable it would have to focus on primarily the aspects that a person wouldn’t be able to get in a home environment. For some people, that is the social aspect of it; a place to meet with strangers and play games competitively. But to a majority, it’s a place to bring your family to play some unique games that can’t be found anywhere else, stuff like rhythm games (DJ Max Technika, cubeat, DDR, Taiko), shooters, or even redemption games.
Laziness also plays a part in this. In order to not feel robbed while playing a fighter, everybody had to get good, or else they’d be perfected in five seconds. With console gaming, you pay a set amount and then don’t have to worry about being better than someone else in order to feel like you’ve gotten your money’s worth. This business model is FAR more appealing to most people and probably also contributed to the decline. I’m pretty sure the number of rage quitters in fighting games today would drop ten fold if they had to pay 50 cents to play in each match online (the total number of players would also drop sharply).
I feel confident that there is a place for arcades in this day and age. Hell, I wouldn’t be trying to open my own up if I didn’t feel that way.
It’s just… the days of filling it with nothing but fighting games? Those days are done. While I certainly plan to have a healthy selection, if I don’t have enough new big-ass shooters (Terminator Salvation, as GOD FUCKING AWFUL AS IT IS, makes a ton of money) and new racers (Nascar also makes a huge amount of money, even though it isn’t near as good as good ol’ Daytona. The Fast & Furious games also make good money, even though they have nothing on Rush or Cruisin’), it’ll go nowhere in a hurry.
I also don’t think arcades alone will cut it. A gaming lounge that just so happens to have arcade cabinets in it is the model I’m going for. I have a friend not to far away who has combined his arcade with a retro gaming store, and he’s been doing pretty well with that.
I wasn’t talking about about online at all so I don’t see what’s the reason to bring it up.
The main thing that makes an arcade unique is the centralized hub for people to play, you didn’t need to arrange meetings, you can go at anytime to practice and people would have a general consensus of when the serious players would be there.
I dont mean to come off as a person who hating on arcade. Its just that the old business model that people were using before just wont work in 2011. Lan type centers like Next level in NYC seem like the way to go. It seems like the best of both worlds for home/arcade players.
Arcades just can’t survive like they use to. charge too much, they wont play the game. charge too little, you wont stay open for long. Now look at SF4 witch its original arcade release was made obsolete by X360/PS3. Then SSF4AE comming out a year later, time to replace the arcade hardware again. It’s just a nightmare from a business standpoint.
I can see some games like MvC2/CvS2/A3 making its money back because it was played for so long. Can the same be said for SF4 series?
arcades arent dead, maximum tune all the waiiiiiiii
i was actually in agreement with the point you made about arcades and consoles at home but obviously misconstrued what i meant. you don’t need to tell everybody what makes an arcade unique though, that’s how you see it imo. players today are way too pampered and just so you know, a big percentage of console owners do play online regardless of the quality of the connection that’s why so many rage-quitters troll the lobbies propagating their practice more and more to other players. did you think that they would be satisfied by just playing offline when they are fully aware of the endless joys that online trolling brings? that’s kinda retarded…
when i say pampered, they can start a game and know full well that there is NOTHING at stake for their win/loss either online or offline. so who wants to go to a modern arcade with their friends and lose money / get their prides crushed for getting beat on a game that they play casually. these guys stay home. oh yeah, a couple hundred people register and show up for EVO but guess what, the same top players that won from the last few years won again. because these guys are NOT pampered. the arcade mentality is burned into their heads.
you wanna know why the games you cited as example stayed relevant to the FGC [though not the biggest percentage nowadays] for so long? it’s because there was an arcade community that still supported, it even though now it is being played on the latest generation of consoles.
you’re going off on a tangent when you say the SF4 series making it’s money back. judging by brisk sales on console, it kinda did. oh wait, you meant arcade SF4 series? the console killed it remember? don’t mix up the business and community aspects of this discussion, stay on topic. it’s a fact that arcades are dead and because of the technical superiority of modern consoles there might still be a chance for an arcade-style hub for games and socializing. unfortunately, the true arcade format [coin-op] is now history. online games is NOT arcade. having your friends over at your house is NOT arcade. modern consoles will not be able to replicate an experience, a sense of community and competitiveness that a true arcade provides. business is business right? it’s the people who patronize the business that keep it running and relevant. you wanna play on console, go ahead. nobody gonna stop you. and nobody gonna stop arcades from fizzling out either.
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Maybe this is mean but after seeing the kind of people that hung out at any place with an arcade machine(ie. actual arcades, stores with a machine or two), I never wanted to go there again. Not fond of being shot or stabbed or jumped because I beat someone at a game.
“I told your ass to stop throwin, fuck this shit!” whips out knife
I really really wish I was exaggerating somehow.
look it just part of being in the arcade… fuck them bum gamers… i miss the arcade
People who quote memes beat you up or sumthin? Or what? I dunno wat you are gettin at bro. Why dont u clarify, huh?
I dont go to arcades because where im livin they’ve pretty much up and died. Lol and if ur talkin bout me you’re ridiculous. Haha
at this point and time does arcades really matter? It wont be long before the HARDCORE gamer retire and the few place that try to keep arcade scene alive is slowly dyeing out.
These types of threads have been done to death already…
I’m happy I live in an arcade heavy state, I look/think of arcades as I do of schools.
arcades could never killed by consoles… <.< >.> sips cola goes back to playing mvc2 XBL edition
hardcore gamers never retire