Comparison of HDR Versions (PS3, 360, DC, CPS2)

[rcaido]

LCD/Plasma - It depends on the tv, my plasma Samsung 50" 3dtv has slight lag…32"LG on my Viewlix cab i dont notice any when using VGA…

Princess Ariel CRT = no lag

[Sweet_Poison]

But isnt the refresh rate typically much, much higher if not always on a plasma instead of a lcd? I purposely purchased my panasonic (say that 3 times) because lcd’s seem laggy at times when it comes to gaming.

[JigglyNorris]

Frijoles won the thread by wiring his shit to that phone. That’s on the same lines as that one dude who made a cardboard cabinet.

[Grog]

Frijoles won the thread by wiring his shit to that phone. That’s on the same lines as that one dude who made a cardboard cabinet.

I remember a couple years back I saw a thread for the most ghetto sticks and one was made out of a plastic tupperware container, one out of a shoe, and some other ones too. Shit was too funny

[x64]

But isnt the refresh rate typically much, much higher if not always on a plasma instead of a lcd? I purposely purchased my panasonic (say that 3 times) because lcd’s seem laggy at times when it comes to gaming.

They always say 600hz refresh for plasmas but all that is is marketing jargon. It doesn’t matter weather the HDTV is 60/120/240/600hz, just turn that retarded fast motion shit off (every manufacturer calls it something different). LCDs that seem laggy usually also have a “Game” mode that turns off the fancy post processing.

[moocus]

whoa, when did this thread turn awesome?

ariel assist is broke as fuck.

[TheBastard]

cps2 s-video encoder->CRT 4.5 frames *

cps2 vga encoder->LCD 7-frames *

xbox classic mode->LCD 6-7 frames *

xbox classic mode->CRT 6-7 frames *

PS3 classic mode->LCD 8 frames

ps2 ae->CRT 6 frames *

ggpo
w7 aero 8-11 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs) *
w7 fullscreen 7-9 frames *
w7 disable aero 7-8-frames *
xp 6 frames *

supercade
w7 aero 8-10 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs) *
w7 fullscreen 7 frames *
w7 disable aero 7 frames *
xp 6 frames *

xp offline fba version 029708 6 frames *

xp offline mame version 0141b 6 frames *

xbox SSF4 ryu cr. rh 6 frames *

PS3 SSF4 ryu cr. rh 7-8 frames (most of them at 8 frames) *

fba with sound disabled gets u -1 frame, u can get as low as 5 frames which is almost arcade perfect(cps2 s-video encoder->CRT 4.5 frames *)

[TheBastard]

according this post, sound disabled makes 2 frames less of lag.

I can save you the trouble, I have completed various tests of my own, using several different emulators and games. Both real-time tests and frame advancement tests.

This has been posted in other threads, but I guess I should repeat it here since the topic resurfaced:

Final Burn Alpha, Mame, Mame++, and Kawaks have additional input delay for CPS2 games with audio enabled. The added input delay is a 2-frame lag.

Final Burn (the original version), and Nebula do not have this additional input delay.

This ONLY applies to CPS2, it does not apply to SNK games. And this only applies with audio on. If audio is disabled then there will be no added emulation-based input lag. The amount of added input delay from FBA/Mame/Kawaks for CPS2 audio is 2 frames.

With Final Burn and Nebula frame advancement tests, it shows that if you input a command the action will begin on the next frame, so it occurs on the 2nd frame. With FBA/Mame/Kawaks frame advancement tests it show that you can input an action and it will not occur for another three frames, so it occurs on the 4th frame.

With my real-time tests I was able to put PC games like MeltyBlood, GuiltyGear, and two of the emulators on the screen at the same time, and control multiple games at the same time. With this setup, I was able to show that actions were normally occurring on the same frame, but FBA/Mame/Kawaks lagged behind by generally 2 frames (though sometimes only 1).

Final note: If you enter the game’s input test mode located in the dip switches, you can clearly see exactly what frame the input is being read by the emulator. With Final Burn, when you push a button, the input-test mode displays that input as being read on the same frame (1st frame). But actions do not occur until the next frame in-game (2nd frame). So this test shows that it’s not the controller or the emulator that is lagging, it shows that the game recognizes the input instantly (same frame) but the action does not occur until the next frame. With FBA/Mame/Kawaks however, there is still the added input delay.

It appears to be directly related to sound, and only CPS2, so I imagine it’s caused by poor Q-Sound emulation.

[Zero1]

That’s Ok, I’ll just loop Guile’s theme on youtube

[JED07]

according this post, sound disabled makes 2 frames less of lag.

Maybe so, but getting most people to agree to playing on PC will be like getting them to agree to hold still for a branding. Mostly frame skipping issues, hardware standardization etc.

That aside, I always assumed the biggest reason that HDR classic was not acceptable was that it wasn’t in fact arcade perfect aside from the frame delay.

After reading this thread I’m not so sure.

Is it or is it not arcade perfect? Has anybody played it extensively and noticed anything different from ST aside from the frame delay and shitty udon sprites?

[Unessential]

Is it or is it not arcade perfect? Has anybody played it extensively and noticed anything different from ST aside from the frame delay and shitty udon sprites?

nope as far as i know, other than the fact that it’s slower compared to the DC version, (which you left out), the frame delay, and the shitty udon sprites. (although I admit, I havn’t played on HDR classic mode much, since HDR doesn’t change the game enough for me to [S]complain[/S] stop playing it. )

[JED07]

Wow, and here I thought all this time that there was some game changing difference that made HDR classic mode totally unsuitable.

Sure there’s the speed diff and the input delay, but when your playing ST vanilla and you have the stage speed differences who the fuck cares?

Mind you I wouldn’t advocate running anything with ST arcade and HDR classic side by side. That just wouldn’t work.

[Coth_X]

Wow, and here I thought all this time that there was some game changing difference that made HDR classic mode totally unsuitable.

Sure there’s the speed diff and the input delay, but when your playing ST vanilla and you have the stage speed differences who the fuck cares?

Mind you I wouldn’t advocate running anything with ST arcade and HDR classic side by side. That just wouldn’t work.

I believe its like 2 to 3 frames of extra input delay though. Its pretty jarring if you play emu/arcade ST for awhile and then play hdr classc…

-trolls suck-

[milesokeefe]

I believe its like 2 to 3 frames of extra input delay though. Its pretty jarring if you play emu/arcade ST for awhile and then play hdr classc…

-trolls suck-

Arcade? Yes.

Emu? I’m not so sure. Looking over this info:

ggpo
w7 aero 8-11 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs) * (ED - this is what I was playing GGPO on when I tried to get into it. No wonder I was unhappy)
w7 fullscreen 7-9 frames *
w7 disable aero 7-8-frames *
xp 6 frames *

supercade
w7 aero 8-10 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs) *
w7 fullscreen 7 frames *
w7 disable aero 7 frames *
xp 6 frames *

… it would seem that HDR Classic mode on 360 either has exactly as much add. input delay as GGPO/Supercade on XP, or has +1 frame add delay compared to either.

But then, HDR Classic mode runs at 102% the speed of ST tournament standard - IIRC, turbo 2/3 depending on the region.

Compare this to GGPO’s turbo - what, zero? I believe the difference in speed here compared to tournament standard is greater than 2%.

IDK what speed Supercade runs ST at.

[x64]

Supercade runs at Turbo 2 like it should be. Someone thought it would be brilliant to use Turbo 1 for GGPO’s default setting making it run like molasses.

[Coth_X]

When I went from ggpo to some classic hdr, I couldn’t do basic jump in combos.

[milesokeefe]

Were you playing the 360 or ps3 version?

[Coth_X]

Ps3

[milesokeefe]

The PS3 has more input delay than the 360 port does. Same thing happened with SF4 Vanilla, but they fixed it for Super.

The difference in delay felt huge to me, like 3-4 frames more than the 360 port, but according to that chart it only has 1-2 frames more delay than 360 HDR.

[Reno_K]

ggpo
w7 aero 8-11 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs) * (ED - this is what I was playing GGPO on when I tried to get into it. No wonder I was unhappy)

And here I thought it was my crappy USB converter. That would explain a bunch of dropped combos