friends again pap? 
It all depends on what the question you want answered is. If the question is, how much does my setup lag, then testing the setup as a whole is appropriate. That said, I donāt see a whole lot of posts of āmy setup has x frames of input lagā, but rather āthe xbox has x frames of input lagā. OTOH, most of those test are of the set-up as a whole, and I find myself quite dubious of claims that LCDs are lagless when nobody seems to run tests with better than 1-frame resolution. (To be fair Iām a bit nuts about stuff like that.)
Component performance is, for example, useful when you make buying decisions. Which monitor do I buy? Do I buy an Xbox or a PS3? Do I shell out extra cash for the XRBG-2? This game is laggingā¦ do I upgrade my net connection (might be a good idea), get a better monitor (probably a smaller issue), or do I swap out the PCB in my TE stick (you wonāt notice)?
you are being stubborn. becauseā¦
No.
What is needed is the exact opposite. a test that determines the lag of 360/PS3 HDR itself, without any other factors contributing to lag. Say it turns out itās 5 frames. With that knowledge you can apply it to any other setup and determine the complete lag from there with a simple stopwatch test to test any monitor. With your tests this is impossible as the results are only valid for your HDR + HDMI + ASUS V236H in game mode setup. Not every runs that setup dude.
basically your test measured input lag, which can be made up of a number of factors.
input lag = inherent lag in the game + Monitor + Cable/port.
You meassured the input lag to be 6 in one of the tests for example, but cannot specify where the lag comes from. hence your test doesnt say anything about either HDR, the monitor, the cable/port.
Itās not even that Iām saying CRT is the only acceptable way to play. What Iām saying is that when testing any variable you make sure to eliminate unknown factors that can contribute to that variable. CRT is the way to do that in input lag tests.
Also, are you seriously claiming suprme knowledge of how people are playing their games everywhere in the world? What if I told you UK ran HDR on 360+CRT 2 years straight in their majors? And who says maors are the only thing thatt matter. What if people are hosting sessions in their houses and want to play ST?
You have the means to give a clearcut answer of 360 HDR lags THIS much. PS3 HDR lags THIS much. Yet are refusing to do so.
Because Papasi has a clear agenda, thatās why. Heās never going to do anything that might make HDR or HDR classic look viable. To him itās arcade ST (even though they play with Jap sticks and buttons, which isnāt how arcade ST was ever played in the US) or nothing, which would mean nothing for most people.
Did any of you actually read?
I now regret spending that 30 mins yesterday trying to find that damn composite cable. And no Iām not going to bother asking ultrcombo to borrow his ps3 again.
mad possum how many HDR players do you think would be crazy enough to get a CRT and play HDR in 4:3 SD, if they already have a nice hdmi > LCD setup?
I donāt know about the euro scene, and I donāt know about the brazil scene either.
Seriously none of us learn anything from these tests I guess.
I gave my mom my big widescreen HDTV and got a small CRT in return. Because it was lag free.
And indeed, those tests you did provide no answers about HDR itself.
I ask how many. So youāre saying youāre the only one you know of? So I take that your answer is one.
Well, number not big enough for me to go to bestbuy to buy a composite cable just for this test or borrow the ps3 again. Sorry.
Average LCD computer monitor with VGA cable plugged to 360 4tw.
i played my xbox with a crt instead of my asus 27ā for over a year. then i got my lg w2363d.
and here is the test.
LG W2363D Review - 3D Vision Blog
if console is still standard, at least the display aspect of lag can be resolved. i canāt say how much more the xbox lags compared to ST arcade though so i really didnāt help much. just thought iād show everyone that there are hd lcdās without lag.
Whether or not you think you believe the tests were completely scientific (do LCD monitors lag enough to add 1+ frames of delay?), you have to admit that they have some value because the majority of HDR play is on LCD monitors.
Oh and Papasi if you want to retest on PS3, youāll have to wait at least 3 weeks unless of course you have access to someone elseās PS3. I donāt see why you should bother though, nobody will appreciate it and youāll just be accused of conspiring against HDR.
David, ask pap why he wonāt talk to me anymore.
Awwww maaaan, I promied Thelo I would stay out of his section but I couldnāt resistā¦
You guys are just relentless, but considering that you want to actually bring CRT to the tourney that sliver007 runs, and dj just made me laugh with that tiny ass TV that he could only afford, I picked up a cable on my way home to save you the trouble.
xbox -> crt is 6.5 frames (average of 20 cr. rh)
btw classic mode with old sprites does look much better in sd.
I used to play a few games of Forza 3 on a SD TV at a friendās place (2 players verse mode, so sd screen is split in half) and I honestly couldnāt read anything on the screen.
David, tell DSP that heās on my ignore list so anything he said on ggpo or here I just couldnāt readā¦
[edit: ganelon : itās just the regular composite xbox360 cable, and a regular tv with composite input. what else you want to know?]
OK, so thereās no difference from the Asus to a CRT, still 2-3 frames of additional lag compared to CPS2 ST. I actually compared performing links on a CRT and Asus one after another multiple times (to see if an ST setup to an Asus was viable) and couldnāt detect any noticeable lag so the monitor performance results are consistent with my experience (and itās what Ponder concluded in the first place after all).
Still, the Asus does have many shortcomings with the relatively lacking picture quality, poor viewing angle, low volume, and sound lag. papasi, for reference, can you detail what visual setup and cables for the 360 were used?
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He just posted about your mom dude. daaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyuuuummnnnn you shouold take him off ignore and read it.
Just more of the same, you guys just canāt stop. Do you still somehow think that through these arguments youāre going to stop people playing HDR? At the end of the day: whatās your ultimate goal here? You donāt play HDR anymore anyway do you?
I run Xbox VGA cable to VGA CRT when I care about video quality, but when I record video, I typically do that on a TV. (Some other games change their frame rate depending on what display is plugged into the Xbox.)
SeƱor Frijoles wins thread.
David, can you ask pap if he ignored me cuz I said his tests were retarded? Or if it was cuz I said he was retarded?
In both cases, tell him I was just joshing.