Comp. Pokemon Thread MK2: Let's Go Back To Kanto Like Everyone Wanted!

Make ice raise atk and SpAtk under hail. Cause even if they get def boost they still suck as defensive typing

Or give it sun/rain treatment where ice moves get boosted if you think the previous is too OP

I would be cool with that except I would make it only special attack. The problem is it needs something more. For instance Sand does chip boost spdef and has the ability depending on the mon to increase power evasion or speed.

Sun boost fire and need a water. Boost solarbeam by making it one turn and can boost growth plus speexin chlorophyll.

To compete it needs to do at least 4 things.

Hopefully making the most toxic mechanic in all of pokemon more likely to happen isn’t one of them. A frozen pokemon is a dead one.

right now it does chip damage, has evasion and speed boost abilities as well and buffs blizzard along nerfing synthesis/moonlight/solarbeam. So one more thing would be the 4th one which imo should be boosting Ice attacks, both physical and special just like rain and sun do

Not familiar with ALL the ice abilities but I think it also needs someone that gets 30% increase in ice attacks like Mega Garchomp gets. That coupled with your attack suggestion would round it out. Still like having better defenses but being able to just slaughter things with stab hail enhanced Ice shards and Blizzard would be enough to make it worth using. Right now it just needs help. GF did well to at least give them Aurora veil and the ice skates (whatever the ability is called). They need to just address it a little more so it can be a true competitive archtype.

(Yeah, Hail needs a buff, but increasing the chance of Freeze a.k.a. the dumbest status in the game isn’t it. At the very least they would need to fix Freeze first and I mean actually fix it unlike the half-assed way they “fixed” Paralysis.)

I still think Gamefreak fucked up pretty hard by making Aurora Veil in general, especially since it didn’t help Hail overall. Needing Hail to function at all just meant that people started using Hail solely to set-up an overpowered barrier move even if literally everything else on their team takes damage from Hail…which is currently the sole feature of Hail beyond Blizzard accuracy. Yay. Such an improvement for the weather itself, which still does fuck all except now make two slow-ass pokemon not as slow.

I’m not sure what you mean by “save it”, though I’ll assume you mean “worthy of OU”, which I’m not asking for since I’m not asking for miracles and I haven’t really touched OU this gen. I’m not asking for much, since I know what I would be even more disappointed if I did. I’m just saying that there’s literally no reason for, at the very least, a) Silvally to not have an attack move in every type that isn’t Multi-Attack given it lacks one for at least six types currently IIRC and b) for the Memories to boost types by at least 110% given it has to essentially give up both its ability and its item to change form.

As it is now, all of the Silvally forms somehow manage to be worse than Type: Null with Eviolite despite having higher speed, access to more moves including Parting Shot, and the ability to be any type. That’s…sad, especially since it’s clearly supposed to be an (intentionally inferior) Arceus analogue. Right now it’s closer to being a fucking Wormadam analogue.

Oh yeah and if the Soft-Boiled tutor returned that would be a godsend, oh what a joy it would be to have Soft-Boiled Clefable/ Sylveon/ Goodra/ Slurpuff/ Florges/ Granbull/Aromatisse/ Comfey/ Audino/ Lickilicky in their respective tiers.

Blizzard is 30 but never actually freezes

The biggest buff Ice could get is losing one of its weaknesses. That’s been the main issue the typing has had since Gen 1.

Blizzard’s freeze rate was always 10%, thankfully.

Do you guys have any Gen 6 tutor moves that you’d want Alolan Pokemon to learn?

Here’s the list of Move Tutors since I doubt I would have to be the only person to look them up: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Move_Tutor.

At present I have no wants given what I already said.

Yes, Spectral Thief.

Silvally and Type:Null are both buried in PU. Neither has the stat distribution to compete in anything higher. If you gave it recovery it’s still a shitty bulky mon. Offensive sets are bad. It lacks a healing item to use and none of its stats are good enough to do anything. It would need an almost complete stat distribution to get out of PU

(Sigh. Once again, you state the obvious.)

I am already aware of this. Again, I’m not asking for it to be “saved”. I’m asking for it to be better, however marginally, since there’s literally really no reason that it’s as lacking as it is now in terms of moves or that the Memories confer absolutely no benefit. It’s really not that difficult to understand that I just want it to not be as bad even if it stayed in PU since it makes no sense for it to not already have what I said, especially given Gamefreak made such a relatively big deal out of it.

As much as people kvetch about Kommo-o being disappointing, Silvally is easily the most disappointing “face” pokemon, probably ever at this point. I honestly can’t think of anything stuck that far down that got such storyline importance, at least that wasn’t actively sabotaged like with Regigigas.

Sivally’s disk should just allow the user to remove stat points in any way they see fit. Maybe you like rock type and wanna make it a glass cannon? Just switch points from defense to offense. Maybe you wanna use a steel type and make it a tank? Take from speed and offense and add to defenses. Maybe limit the amount you can take in total to like 50 points or something.

That sounds terrible. We would only see Pheromosa stats

Fuck Sivally. Having to look at slight color differences to ascertain which typing it is, is for the birds. I hope it stays terrible forever.

your own fault for playing in those terrible tiers where it is viable

Thus is why I said you limit how much can be taken and moved. To be honest if you are trying to attack you really only need the speed and offense. The rest is irrelevant in most cases (looks at greninka).

The easiest fix is to ACTUALLY GIVE IT STATS WHEN IT EVOLVES. The only change is it goes from 59 speed to 95. Keep that and give it a boost in its other stats. Or just make it have a deoxys form mode of offense defense and speed and still keep RKS. If you do that it makes it viable. If not people will continue to complain regardless. I saw some people have success with it in OU. The lore for it is to counter the UB. What better way than giving it 3 modes of battle along with the disk.

Silvally is dumb