Thanks to SCR virus I hadn’t been able to eat or get out of bed for awhile, sorry for not being more attentive in the thread, I should be able to do some work to actually help this cycle.
Check the storm thread he’s not the only one that can abuse this.
Also Storm Dante should be able to still get 900K or so when you DHC into Dante and mash all hits
One main thing I can think of as anti-Morri tech is Storm’s Elemental Rage as a counter to Astral Vision activations. You can even DHC into it from Gimlet/Million Dollars and it’ll beat it out. If you really have to kill her (and have the meter) you can go Gimlet > Elemental Rage > Million Dollars > XFC. Of course, if you’re going to DHC, you could just as well use Ice Storm and be done with it. I just don’t see too many people use Elemental Rage as a punish.
Edit: I’m a terrible Dante player so I likely won’t post any vids of him.
I play Spidey/Storm and I use this but the problem I can see here is the fact that neither Hawkeye or Dante have invincible start up on their supers. I only mention this because the times Morrigan is more than likely to pop Astral Vision she’s already made herself safe with missiles or her own spam. I tried DHC’ing into Hailstorm on her but that damn unfly of hers is so damn fast that she was able to block it and it’s not that useful when it’s only punishing the assist and now I’m out meter :sad:
Here’s me demonstrating you can DHC for more than 900k
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alright ill take my day 1 tech and not contribute further, have fun being a cunt to others
You done shitting on helpful people yet, jackass?
Relax, he’s just a puppy.
I’m gonna try to record some stuff with this team as well. As soon as my PVR stop fucking up. :bluu:
Theory question:
What order do you play this team in? You have 2 excellent assists in Dante and Hawk, and the sexy Storm DHC, as well, as Storm infinite from the second spot. Hawk/Storm/Dante makes sense, but do you really want to be starting Hawkeye on point?
Storm/Dante/Hawk could work, but you have to deal with crappy Storm damage and meter building in the first spot.
In fact, I think the thing this team is going to struggel with is raw damage.
That day one combo is completely better than anything he’s done so far any way.
Yeah this team kinda shows the problem for this thread when you have too many support characters on your team (like all fucking 3). I’m not really a big fan of this team because it’s pretty much a huge support hog team that will kill the support options for future teams in this thread. It has ways to work but it’s really hogging up the assist and DHC/THC options for other teams.
Past that issue though…I would say the best way to work the team would be to have Dante first. Storm is the only character on the team that can provide a way for big damage off throws for Dante and Dante has superior movement options to deal with the round start. Basically you’ll want Storm second on this team so you at least have midscreen TAC infinite for damage at any possible point a hit is landed. It will take a while to kill sometimes and has possibility to drop, but the end result is dead people like you want.
i’m not limiting the team order as long as it can be switched out from hawkeye/storm/dante at the loading screen using assist buttons.
so, dante/storm/hawkeye, storm/hawkeye,dante are also good too. and hawkeye on point with jam session isn’t too bad for round starts. it’s important that he starts vs point morrigan- against teams that aren’t point morrigan is when you bust out other teams or a different team order.
the assists are obviously going to be whirlwind and jam session for storm and dante, but for hawkeye i am completely open to all assists being used- i think every single one of them can provide something interesting to the specific matchup in this case.
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also i played a crack session with the team yesterday and from what i could tell, storm/dante and vice versa with xf2 is still actually a massive problem with huge comeback potential because of the nature of hailstorm. if the opponent stops calling assists at all then obviously you’re going to be able to do stuff too. if you switch in characters and they die storm/hawkeye, hawkeye/storm, dante/hawkeye and hawkeye/dante are all decent pairings too, though they’re all also itching for damage since hawkeye is a dhc component in that pairing.
i was playing it against an extremely competent (just straight up good tbh!) zero/morrigan/doom and was able to take several game streaks off him despite my complete inexperience with two thirds of the team, if that means anything. all team combinations were able to pull off an extreme amount of work which was really nice, and every single time i killed zero with hawkeye still on point (so no dhc) i won- morrigan starting was absolutely forced to burn xf and start rushing down because of this later on which was a fun way to find out this team might have some problems vs morrigan’s rushdown of all things.
this is not a real strategy but lightning attack is really fucking amazing somehow at mindfucking people. when they call missiles and you do a lightning attack from a weird angle and hit both doom and the point and then kill them with lightning storm->dhc to dante it is really great.
i’ve found that for the THC in punishing doom’s assist it is better to xfactor and kill off doom asap for teams where it’s clearly ‘good character, morrigan, doom’- even moreso if you get a birthday in punishing them. solo morrigan in xf3 still can’t catch storm which is really really great and hawkeye can provide a somewhat safe tagging-in setup against incoming characters and matchups where they can’t do lots of damage from fullscreen with exploding arrow (raw tag puts them directly on top of the arrow with the timing being almost perfect to punish normals if they go up for them)
edit 2: oh also storm can combo off of her ground throws with dante thc. it’s pretty cool. idk if dante can do anything but off any airthrow he can thc for damage at the very least
ok just tested it he gets thc off his ground throws too. off front throw you gotta dash forward first though.
if you start storm, you can do c. L, s.M, C. H, j. MMH, s. M, c.H, j. H adf + hawkeye triple arrow, j. H jump and float j .H, launch, j. MH and TAC. this lets you TAC into dante and not hawkeye, you can continue the combo with dante OR TAC again and you will go back to storm
The thing I’m wondering about here is the best assist for Hawkeye to use. It’s either Poison Tip or Triple Arrows.
Gimlet for the insta punish DHC Hail storm just screams nasty. And if they’re on the ground and Storm is KO’d Dante can DHC in with Million dollars.
Pushback from whirlwind + the priority and mix of Rusty nail ( Speed Shot), H, Spritzer (Piercing bolt) on Hawkeye’s movment.
This team has a lot of potential… It just sucks that Jam Session is the clear best here. Weasel Shot for some Lock down to force chip and fish for mistakes might be good too. or weasel shot assist into Fair/Foul winds… but that would work better with Jam Session…
Double Typhoon should actually be useable with any of Dante’s assists.
EDIT34765: The only real problem I see for this team is start of round. Otherwise, they have sufficient synergy. I feel the main point of this team is to keep them back and build meter to discourage opponents and get them desperate. Once they finally get openned up you’ll have chipped and hurt them enough to get it done.
You may want to play around with Devil Trigger DHC to Hail Storm to punish… just about anything. Devil Trigger is like 4 frames pre-flash (3 of which are invincible) and Hail Storm is 1 after the flash.
Against Morridoom, Astral Vision Soul Fists from behind can still hit Storm. I noticed that if it happens right after your DHC, you may be able to recover forward and combo off of it, though. I’ll test it out later.
Whirlwind gives you some good left/right mix-ups with a teleport though. Basically, normals + Storm assist -> teleport.
The pushback of the Whirlwinds makes it difficult to tell what’s going on. Depending on when you hit what, you can cross them up, they can pass back under you, you can dash back over them, etc.
Mah NIGGA. You read my mind, I was just about to edit that into my post.
I’m referring to point storm using Double Typhoon when Dante lands a Jam Session. the frame advantage off of Double Typhoon hit or block is great
If you THC with Hawkeye and Dante behind you, you can taunt after gimlet and recover in time to launch after million dollars.
#contributing
That’s the tech I like to see!
How much damage can Dante get off a Hailstorm DHC to DT?
dante can do more dmg post hard-tag. been working on maxing out the dmg my nova/frank/dante team. anyways volcano otg > jmh xx killer bee, backdash S xx gun shots xx stinger xx bold cancel > hammer. from there you have them back on the ground to add whatever assist extensions your team allows
lol Honzo sure is a sensitive guy for someone who trolls more than most people in the FGC