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-dime
fuck yo nam,e nucka
-dime
Solid chun play at 2:50 and Pressure Playing master class at 7:20
http://gamenyarth.blog67.fc2.com/blog-entry-4926.html?id=sm7913756
That’s Haneyama (woo Rosetta stone is paying off)
Twas a sexy empty jump HSU @ 3:20
Had me scared the last round.
Good stuff.
The second match…
Second round:
Not only does he use some really nice empty jump cr.short mixup’s Dime was discussing earlier, but he does a neutral jump fpx2, cr.fpx1 xx Lk legs x 8!!!
I couldn’t tell what he was going for after the lk legs, as he got command grabbed out of it.
Third round:
I don’t know why, but I always lol when I see 4 cr.shorts into EX legs. SOoooo meaty.
He does another very good empty jump cr.short mixup.
IIRC Dime, you were talking about the potential of this tactic. Take a look at this vid, as Haneyama executes it well and has a lot of success with it.
EDIT: Ah, found the post where Dime was talking about it: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=180722&page=108#2687
does rosetta stone work???
how long does it take?
i wanna learn french so i know what my wife and her family are talking about and japanese so i can learn from all of those daigo kumite vids!
and oh yeah, that mixup works really well.
-dime
Rosetta stone is the worst, I torrented that shit and it doesn’t teach you shit. I don’t know what Ark has learned from it…it’s basically a Japanese Hooked-On-Phonics without any alphabet lessons. IMO it’s better to learn off of websites…
Haha. You can learn french from me.
By itself, I agree with you. I use it as a supplement, mainly to get down the aspect I don’t get from websites. For pronunciation and hearing, it is wonderful.
But you need to have an active schedule of practicing reading and writing kanji/hiragana to go along with it.
Well I should say that I’m using V3.
V2 is a literal piece of shit, I learned vietnamese better from a one night stand than that thing.
lol
I originally learned from taking classes.
Sorry for the multiquotes 
But i wanted to notice some things about that.
Is it me or haneyama look better now since the godsgarden show. First time i see haneyama do this new combo from nemo and nuki. Haneyama is always on TRF tourny lol
At 03 : 20 just before the empty jump hasan shu, haneyama did a jump in Hk follow by a crouch HK to punish the backdash.
I don’t know if this has already discussed here but what he did was an option select.
The crouch HK come only if viper do the backdash. In fact he jumps deep and press HK twice.
Like that if the jump hk whiff, the buffer of the 2nd Hk is always here and come just after he land.
But if viper block the jump hk, chun li stay a little in the air and the buffer disappear so the crouch hk don’t come.
You can use this technical with normal, special and tech throw.
Daigo abuse a lot of this technical with Dragon punch. If the opponent choose to dash, a dragon punch come automatically. If Honda try a headbutt ex, a dragon punch come.
Unfortunately for chun li except an hasan shu, she doesn’t have special with no charge.
But i think the option select tech throw is a good thing with chun li cause often, i miss my jump and i get grab because my cross up lk whiff or i miss time my jump in.
Option select with crouch HK have to be used when you safe jump on you opponent only at this moment.
A thread in Ryu forum explain more about that though
About empty jump low short, one thing about chun li is she has a 2LK who hit in 3 frames and hit low
My point is when your opponent notice you empty jump, his first reaction is to throw or attack. Not block. Even the throw come in 3 frames too, i think the time he realise it’s a empty jump, let you the time to hit him and with a low attack fast, he doesn’t have the time to crouch too.
If her 2lk came in 5 frames, your opponent would have time to grab you before, even he reacts after you land.
I think to beat the 2lk of chun li, he have to predict this set up, and launch his gra in advance but if he wait for a jump attack and grab after, it’s too late.
Here is the list of the others characters like her.
Dhalsim
Ken
Bison
Gief
Cammy
Fei Long
Sakura
So 3 console characters and 4 arcade characters. If you forget Gief and dhalsim because they are special (no need for explanation i think 
) and forget the console characters 
, it left Ken, Bison (dictator) and Chun li (only 3 characters)
I think its the explanation of why you don’t see this set up a lot. And i have already seen ken and Dictator use that if i don’t make dream
The others characters have 2lk who come with 5 frames or 4 frames.
Sorry for the english, i’m french
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no problem bro, thats what they’re there for. :tup:
i think that you are making some wrong assumptions here:
if someone ALLOWS an empty jump in in the first place, it means that the jump, IN ITSELF caught them off guard. had they not been caught off guard they would have just done an AA.
second, since they WERE caught off guard there natural reaction will NOT be to throw when you land… it will be to throw break or crouch tech or block low.
now there is a BIG difference between trying to throw break and just throw:
if they are trying to throw break it will come SLOWER than a regular input throw (generally there input will be 5 - 10 frames slower than the person doing the initial throw) this means that they will be doing NOTHING but high blocking for 5-10 frames which allows for empty jump low shorts to connect easily.
if they try to crouch tech generally speaking they will input it a bit faster and also a couple of times or more, but the result is the same cause there attack will still be slower than the one whos landing.
if they block low instead that shows that they read you well enough to predict you but not well enough to AA you, this means that you should throw in j.fp x2 somewhere down the road, or empty jump hasan shu cause that will beat all three options except for a perfectly timed crouch tech (they’ll be able to block that)
the reason you dont see empty jump low shorts more often is because chun has a shitty jump so its hard to do in the first place.
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people havent put 2 and 2 together as far as WHY empty jump low shorts works well for chun more than other characters… (which i’m trying my best to describe)
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because it requires an opponent thats predictably defensive or at the very least in a bad position.
actually i’m kind of seeing that you were agreeing with me… but kind of not… i see what your saying, not many characters have 3 frame low shorts…
but my point was why dont chun players make more use of the empty jump mixups that she has better.
-dime
Ok i agree empty jump hasan shu is a good weapon and i agree empty jump mixup are very good with her
But i’im sure i have already seen some ken do empty jump follow by 2lk and his well known combo who finish by tatsu or dragon punch. I will try to search them. And Dictator can be “evil” like that with his bnb combo who start by 2lk.
About the difficulty to place this setup :
With safe jump after a Knockdown, you forced your opponent to block high at his wake up.
It’s a meaty jump attack so he cannot AA you.
He is in bad position and you can predict his defense because he must block high.
Other example ( i just thinking about that so perhaps i’m wrong).
When you jump over a sonic boom, Guile most of the time can block your jump attack and most of the time those guile players just block and don’t try to AA air you.
So they wait for a jump attack and don’t expect a jump empty over a sonic boom follow by low attack i think
Chuns jump is too floaty to jump over sonic booms. Guile will just air throw you or cr.fp AA.
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yep.
EXACTLY! this is the type of situation i was talking about ( guile and other characters that are in this position have other options such as back dash or fa backdash) most guile players would just block here, cause they know that they are at the disadvantage for doing an AA (not enough time).
but as i said, SURPRISE JUMPINS against opponents that arent necessarily at a disadvantage is also probably the best way to take advantage of empty jumpins… and of course empty crossups are godlike as well (empty crossup> hasan shu is my shit!)
also this has been off topic a little too long… this should be moved to strategy and matchups so lets continue there :tup:
-dime
This is me playing a ryu player he did really solid with his AA the first 2 matches then it just seemed like i got in his head and stopped doing them for some odd reason i really need to work on my AA game some more i let ppl jump in on me way too much and gg’s to Dae and thanks for the tips and advice will work on those
http://www.youtube.com/user/theloner2586#play/all/favorites-all/2/7_iI6oyEIHk
http://www.youtube.com/user/theloner2586#play/all/favorites-all/1/743Mu148BXU
PS. It’s also some vids of my scrubby bison as well :razzy:
Nice vids, on second vid at 1:15 I would have given him ultra 
My take on why empty jump cr.lk works well with Chun is that her jump is higher and brings the screen up, so when she comes down and does cr.lk you don’t have enough time to see that she actually did an empty jump.
have yall checked out the custom skins mega thread??? whats your favorite chun??? i only looked at 2 skins but this nurse outfit looks sweet… man i wish i had pc sf4 now…
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-dime
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^^^ so ugly… yick… i’m feeling this one also:
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-dime