Chun-Li Thread

[Born2SPD]

Just in case you guys did not noticed, in the chun wiki there is a list of differences between old and new that is prolly complete: http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Chun-Li_(ST)#New_.26_Old_Versions_Comparison

[TNB]

I was al

lol, well, u can always walk under O.Chun when jumps in, then grab her.
O. Chun doesnt have xup attacks plus no mp/grab trap.

the point of df hk is to make it as ambiguous as possible, also u can either block high or low, it doesnt matter, just worry about blocking left or right.

O. Chun sbk is easy to punish, sweep it

I was also super sleepy at the time.
I am the rare east coast usa st player. So I’ve been up longer than practically everyone else. I can’t verify though. I miss the old map.

[oldschool_BR]

Keishin Chun Li at GameSpot Versus Rambat:
[media=youtube]uT3t0FHQjV0[/media]
High-level stuff, as usual. He goes against Kurahashi, Choshu, Numa and M.B★. He usues the usual tricks and combos, such as Chun’s patented 3-hit link combo ending in a sweep, instant overheads, safe meaty crouching short, st.Strong harassment, st.Strong throws, well-spaced cross-up aerial kicks on wake-up, etc. This guy shouldn’t go unnoticed just cos of Otochun and Nuki.

[DNGR_S_PAPERCUT]

Now I have to up my mother fucking chun game.

[ANaqvi]

With Chun’s neckbreaker if it is quite deep you block it the other way . So if chun is 1p, gets a knockdown and goes for a very deep meaty neckbreaker the opponent would block by holding left down or just left. If it is not deep they can just block by holding right. With N and Oken you can reverse with a fierce dp if Chun does a very deep neckbreaker. Just make sure to do it the other way (if chun is 1p gets a knockdown and does a very deep neckbreaker the input would be a dp on the 1p side.

[eltrouble]

With Chun’s neckbreaker if it is quite deep you block it the other way . So if chun is 1p, gets a knockdown and goes for a very deep meaty neckbreaker the opponent would block by holding left down or just left. If it is not deep they can just block by holding right. With N and Oken you can reverse with a fierce dp if Chun does a very deep neckbreaker. Just make sure to do it the other way (if chun is 1p gets a knockdown and does a very deep neckbreaker the input would be a dp on the 1p side.

I find that it depends on how close they are to you when they do the neckbreaker. If they’re point blank next to you, it tends to cross up, otherwise, you block it normal. For some reason it helps to always block it low, since most of the time when I try to block high, I get hit.

What i want to know, is how Chun is able to land the neckbreaker on the cross-up side, and then switch sides on you. I’ve had this happen a few times, but I don’t think the Chuns I played were able to fully control it. You have to block it cross-up, and then block it correctly, because she stays on the same side. Very bizarre.

[ANaqvi]

I find that it depends on how close they are to you when they do the neckbreaker. If they’re point blank next to you, it tends to cross up, otherwise, you block it normal. For some reason it helps to always block it low, since most of the time when I try to block high, I get hit.

What i want to know, is how Chun is able to land the neckbreaker on the cross-up side, and then switch sides on you. I’ve had this happen a few times, but I don’t think the Chuns I played were able to fully control it. You have to block it cross-up, and then block it correctly, because she stays on the same side. Very bizarre.

I think chun being point blank next to you is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for her to cross up. I agree when she is point blank next to you it crosses up often but I think that also depends on how early or late chun goes for the neck breaker. Even if she is point blank next to you on wakeup, if she does the neck breaker late I don’t think it will cross up.

[eltrouble]

I think chun being point blank next to you is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for her to cross up. I agree when she is point blank next to you it crosses up often but I think that also depends on how early or late chun goes for the neck breaker. Even if she is point blank next to you on wakeup, if she does the neck breaker late I don’t think it will cross up.

Great. I’m just thinking I should just learn to DP or spin kick on wakeup to avoid these ambiguous situations.

[oldschool_BR]

Neckbreaker

You guys know you have awesome stuff here, in the form of OG SRK posts:

This is true. I never do DF+RH against Mattsun (crazy Japanese N.Ken player) because he reveral DP’s it every time. Don’t ask me how.

Also, there are certain characters like Honda where you don’t want to do it, because you have much better options. (Just throw a meaty fireball against Honda. If he buttslams through it, punish him. If he doesn’t, keep him zoned with more fireballs.)

Also, you should never do it against Blanka, because he can reversal ball (either ball will work), and because he’s airborn, he will not be knocked over, but YOU will be. That’s bad.

-When you’re opponent doesn’t know which way to block it.
-Against Dhalsim and Dictator, because they have no way to reverse it (unless Dic has super).
-Against the characters that it can cross up: Ryu, Ken, Guile, Hawk, Cammy, Fei, DeeJay, Boxer.

Against Boxer, I prefer safe jump j.Forward, then make him guess between cr.RH or throw. That, or meaty cr.Forward, cr.Fierce.

Against some characters, I like to simply let them get up and see what they do. Especially characters with good reversals, like Ryu, Ken, Cammy, etc. People want to do that reverasal, so let them whiff it, then punish.

I would almost never do it against Honda, and definitely never against Blanka. Whether or not you should do it against Gief/Hawk is also questionable. You do get free block damage with the lightning legs follow-up, but it’s REALLY bad if you mess up, because you just closed the gap, which is doing his job for him. You want to stay away.

df+RH crossup weirdness

I guess there’s a way to do Chun’s df+RH and have it hit as a crossup on characters that normally are able to block it the same way every time. The key is that they have to get knocked down in such a way that their prone body is sliding towards Chun Li as she’s initiating her df+RH. This gives her just a few extra pixels of distance to land the move on the opposite side.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee304/Raisin_SF2/Chun%20Li/Neckbreakercrossupvsothers.png

The characters in the above examples were trying to do a crouching, same-side blocks. In Blanka’s case, the timing of Chun’s df+RH is so strict that I was unable to easily capture one of Blanka’s crouching “switch sides” frames to “prove” that it’s crossing him up. But it still works!

 
**Setup #1: Limb-smash.** If you do a neckbreaker that lands on an opponent's extended limb, you can smash down on them and have their body fall towards you. If Chun times another neckbreaker correctly, it can hit as a crossup.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee304/Raisin_SF2/Chun%20Li/NeckbreakercrossupvsGuile.png

Otochun did this no fewer than two times in his 10-game match with Gian, so that suggests that it could be nasty even on expert players. See one example of the [media=youtube]ddGxLGLx5lc[/media] into crossup neckbreaker, 0:33-0:36.
 

Setup #2: Neckbreaker, jump over. Say you you land a neckbreaker on their head for whatever reason – they messed up trying a reversal, they didn’t know how to block it in the first place, or for whatever reason they just goofed. What you get is them sliding away from you. But you actually have so much time that you can jump over to the opposite side right after you land, and now they’re sliding towards you. A second neckbreaker now has crossup ability.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee304/Raisin_SF2/Chun%20Li/Neckbreakerjumpoverneckbreaker.png

Check a [media=youtube]jwbppc0f6GE[/media] at 4:33. Otochun goes for a third one, but he didn’t make his jump completely over, ended up holding downback instead of downforward, and got a c.RH instead!

 
**Setup #3: Crazy, backwards upkicks.** The gist of this one is that it's possible to land upkicks when the opponent is behind you, i.e. when the opponent is doing a wild crossup. They get knocked out of the air but actually fall towards your body, giving you crossup neckbreaker ability.
 
From the same match as before, check the [media=youtube]jwbppc0f6GE[/media] at 4:31.
 

Setup #4: Crossup jumpkick. Another way is just to do a crossup j.MK, so you land on the opposite side and their body is being pushed towards you. If you immediately do a neckbreaker afterwards, they’ll still be sliding underneath you so that your neckbreaker can hit as a crossup. You have to be fast with this follow-up or they won’t slide underneath you far enough.

This setup is not without risk, because your opponent has a fair amount of time before the neckbreaker lands. If they get wise to it or can react in time, they can do something like jump up and hit you out of the air.

NKI has also several important comments in the ST Chun Wiki. Neckbreaker included.

[Soto]

3 hits + super (11hits) n cross super same deal …

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[_OCT_Wall-Garants]

linking the kick medium and special chun-li…by Binera brazil
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[philcito]

3 hits + super (11hits) n cross super same deal …

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Great video, but you should make your video screen bigger, get rid of the st logo and other stuff!

[Soto]

This is a phone recording… but, you get input display, handshow, idk what else do you need to get this move down.

[SesshaZL]

I saw nuki throw some one, and then the second time he threw them it did massive damage.

is the damage off of mp random, or did he just use hp throw the first time?

[eltrouble]

Assuming the other guy didn’t tech any of the throws, it would seem like he used the HP version. They both look the same, but the MP does some spd-like damage.

[SesshaZL]

What strength tenshokyaku do I use to follow up senretsu?

[oldschool_BR]

What strength tenshokyaku do I use to follow up senretsu?

Short has longer start-up, so it often hits only once. The other versions (Fwd and RH) should hit twice with not too much timing required.

[SesshaZL]

every time this thawk player had me in the corner, it was the same shit, jump in jab to crouch jab or st jab into that spin throw of his.

is there a way to beat that besides get out of the corner?

holy shit this guy and his jabs

[eltrouble]

every time this thawk player had me in the corner, it was the same shit, jump in jab to crouch jab or st jab into that spin throw of his.

is there a way to beat that besides get out of the corner?

holy shit this guy and his jabs

You have to either stop his jump in jab with an anti-air, eat the j.jab and try to reversal the st.jab, or jump into the j.jab and bounce out in order to disrupt his timing. You can also pray that he fucks up his execution and try to reversal throw. At max range on his st.jab, you can jump out before the typhoon grabs you. Of course, you can always super to avoid getting caught by the grab, which lets you do some chip and push him away, effectively giving you another chance to fight him.

But pretty much once you land on your back and he’s in a position to do safe-jumps, you’re dead.

[oldschool_BR]

Reversal RH upkicks should beat meaty jumps on you. If he delays the jump, then Short upkicks work better, since they have longer start-up and invulnerability. I believe the standing Jabs should be a greater problem, when Chun is cornered. Walk-up st.Fwd (to get the close version) should beat or trade with diagonal Jab spamming, be if he dives instead, you will probably eat that.