I made the mistake of Googling this.
I will never be horny again.
I made the mistake of Googling this.
I will never be horny again.
We’re still discussing this? So much for the stereotype of American interest in controversies only being a few days…
Horny, no. Hungry… well, it IS getting close to lunchtime.
lol my bad homes, should have put a warning up.
I’m just glad this case proved that, nomatter how much media attention and outcry a case gets, you are still judged by a jury of your peers, not by the court of public opinion. You have to agree that at least something good came out of it.
I’d hit and use that duct tape guess shes has a bondage fetish
(I kinda expected this thread to move in the past 12 hours, but I’m somewhat glad it didn’t since it helps shows little SRK cares as a whole. If only the rest of America would follow suit…)
As just said above, I don’t really care this case, but I suppose it might be cathartic to get it out of my system well before media is ready to let go of it–unless some “well-timed” other (actual) “tragedy” should take its place, sadly–even with the more pressing issues that America faces. So I figure I “might as well” comment on it if I’m going to have keep seeing it on TV for at least the next week or so. [/I have an “opinion”!111!]
Go-go Gadget long-winded text block!
Let me say first and foremost that I don’t believe in the absolutist concepts of “good” or “evil”, much less the nonexistent delusion that is the concept of “justice”. So I can only find morbid amusement the bullshit cries of “Justice for Caylee!111!” and what not.
That said, I do believe that her not being found guilty of anything except lying to the police is wrong or, at least, heavily flawed.
Amusingly, though, I actually think her “White Woman” defense was probably the least effective factor in getting to that not guilty on all major counts. As with most things related to humans, I’d blame it more on the incompetence of the prosecution, jury included, being greater than that of the defense, the Anthonys included.
Let’s start with the (sadly) lesser fuck-ups, shall we?
The Anthonys, as a whole, seem to be rather terrible at lying, both in telling convincing lies–see her mother committing perjury on the stand–and how often they lie–see, well, basically everything Casey Anthony has ever said apparently. The whole waiting for 31 days to tell her grandmother she was missing was gravely incompetent. Especially since, yeah, a single father would have likely been convicted of something in the same instance even if he was shown to ultimately be more caring otherwise (or even if he was shown to have been actually abused). Although, I do think people would be less outraged if it was something less than the span of a week, which would still have been more than enough time to be handily rid of the body for those who believe she did actually commit first degree murder. That combined with allowing herself to be photographed multiple times in that period partying and in some instances probably providing the photographs herself like with that “Beautiful Life” tattoo are just gross incompetence.
Suffice it to say, for the many who believe she actually is guilty of something more serious than “lulz, lying”, given how stupid she seems to be, she’ll probably fuck up or get set up again later in life like a lot of criminals and still end up going to jail, which is another reason I’m not one of those people who are apparently going apeshit over this. (Provided, you know, one of those berserkers doesn’t go through with their death threats, but I find that unlikely unless they’re as off the deep-end as she is, especially given most of them are cowards.)
Moving onto the defense, as incompetent as it is, it doubtless came out looking the best of any party involved, Jose Baez especially…even as flimsy as his actual defense was. For instance, the whole “it was a familial cover-up that she drowned” thing was probably more damaging than it helped, especially since it opened up Casey for yet another lawsuit from the people who actually searched for a girl that was apparently never missing to begin with. They could have easily played the “incest cover-up & repression” card without that between how weird & stupid the rest of her family acts, no one knowing who the father is & the fact that they even had to DNA test her brother & father and the fact it’s apparently well-known that she’s always acted kinda weird/off socially. It’s not like her family even helped with that cover-up angle, though I don’t think they outright denied it like a lot of things they could have more easily said was bullshit and that would have overwhelmingly damned her if her family was more forward about it (had daddy not wanted his fuck-toy back); just like how the defense didn’t really play up the fact that her mother was lying on the stand when it probably could have done that to generate even more doubt with regards to the whole “cover-up” defense, but whatever.
Honestly, I don’t think the defense did anything right outside of not putting Casey Anthony on the stand, which they never had to and were never going to, and the way they phrased their closing argument to maximize doubt, which apparently worked, which I guess is all that matters.
Or, at least, it worked on this jury, which apparently was idiotic enough to keep saying “where was the hard evidence” for all 11 hours of their deliberation. Bitch, this isn’t CSI. There’s no Let’s Enchance feature to anything and quite a few serious crimes don’t ANY hard evidence, like, you know, this one. But, no, it seems like most people now expect the accused to have Horatio himself testify against him or her unless the accused is black. God forbid actual crime scene investigators testify without neatly solving up the case by the time they’re off the stand, complete with courtroom gasps, the accused idiotically confessing in rage or some end-episode beat as the credits role. No wonder crime scene investigators hate CSI and all its accursed spin-offs.
Don’t get me wrong. I also agree that the circumstantial evidence was flimsy and flawed–like I said, this whole case is a perfect storm of stupidity that just happened to revolve around the “White Girl” factor. It’s just that to have jurors, the same jurors that didn’t even deliberate half of a day (which I think is another reason some people are so pissed off) and say they wanted to not come to an emotionally-based conclusion yet still cried when deciding she was only guilty of lying, say that they was no hard proof as the main reason to find her not guilty is just stupid. Just like how the news constantly bringing up that she didn’t testify when she never had to is stupid.
The same with people saying there was no motive. Sorry, Gorath, but motives, just like hard evidence, are often missing during trials. No proven motive, maybe, but considering that would likely take “hard evidence”…
Still, saying there’s no motive when she was out partying during the entire time that her daughter was “missing”? Uh…yeah, totally mystery there. Why would such a responsible parent want to off their child? Surely only a detective of Sherlock Holmes’s caliber could have solved this case…
Then again, I figure that what Bill Maher and someone in this thread said earlier were right: it’s pretty much only idiots on juries given that smart people are less numerous than idiots to begin with and if smart people don’t already find a way to opt out of it, then they get overwhelmed by idiots much of the time since the jury has to come to some unanimous conclusion.
Speaking of idiots, the prosecutors are probably the biggest ones of all here, at least when it comes to what they tried to charge her with and how they went about it. Seriously, first-degree murder? With that much flawed, “only” circumstantial evidence? And choosing to focusing on the party aspect instead of how horribly negligent she was, especially after they found out that the defense’s “defense” was “hey, cover-up! Incest! Film at 11!” and wholesale admitted she lies in most instances, or would have to be in general at the very least with her waiting 31 days to say anything? Uh…
Really, the laughing like an idiot in court by the prosecution was just the final nail in its self-constructed coffin, though the jury can still easily be blamed for not finding her guilty on some lesser, likely negligence-based charge, especially since they believed she was guilty of “something” AND they found her guilty of lying to the police (apparently about nothing of importance). Sigh.
Hmmm…this was far longer than I thought it would be, especially since I still don’t really care about this–human stupidity is such old hat–and the TL;DR summation would have been more or less the same regardless. I guess boredom will do that.
TL;DR - Everyone involved with this outside of maybe the judge acted like an idiot and she got off because of it, White Woman-ness aside. I’m personally not sure she’s guilty of first degree murder and I don’t really care, but she could have easily been (and “should” have been) charged with a more serious crime than just lying to the police like manslaughter or negligence on just the defense’s claims and circumstantial evidence alone; it’s rather funny how her mother might end up serving more jail time than Casey does for the perjury than for a child’s death (likely via murder). Oh well, no skin off my back, especially since human stupidity and the failure of the “justice system” are so damn common, as seen with Americans choosing over to obsess over this of all things, at this time of all times, instead of something of actual import. [/outrage!111!]
Pretty sure the more rational among us already knew this.
I think the saddest thing about this is that I’m surprised there’s “only” been 4 microwave deaths given how horrible so many American parents are. That talk-back one is just depressing, though. I have to wonder how the kids lived to be that old in the first place unless she just finally “snapped” and even then…
Basically. Too bad MJ fucked up number #3 in attempting to achieve #1 & #2 and that he was so naive & desperately lonely when it came to trying to recapture the childhood he never had that he ended up getting painted as a pedophile and taken advance of so many times. Although, of course, women get away with child abuse far more than men do, so this applies.
Yes, it’s always good when Nancy Grace & most of the American media and the American public at large get exposed as idiots. However, given that this happens on at least a bi-weekly basis, that it’s not exactly difficult to pull off and that this case has so much presence at a time where Congress is arguably acting like a bunch of actual traitors, I can’t say that’s exactly a “good” when it comes to weighing the “evils” of this case against it. Especially when the idiotic masses continue to not notice their own short-comings or, worse, become even more proud of them.
So, BeGuiled, I must ask this: Where do you see the “good” that you claim came out of this? Unless it’s the sheer schadenfreude, I’m not seeing it.
Something that baffles me is that she lied to everybody, they know she lied, she got convicted of lying, and yet people think she told the truth about her daughter.
Right.
I’ve read that they’re trying to make it a felony if your child goes missing and you don’t report it because of this trial. I’m all for that.
What if your kid gets kidnapped for ransom, and the kidnappers explicitly state they’ll kill him/her if the even get a whiff of police?
Far fetched, but who knows…
EDIT: This article is raising some points:
Don’t get me wrong, I think justice was sidestepped like most other folks. Still, the law seems a bit wonky.
They can think it all they want. The prosecutors didn’t demonstrate that she lied about her daughter, but they went for 1st degree murder anyway. They were probably hoping that the media hype would foster a witch hunt mentality among the jury, and, to the jury’s credit, that didn’t happen.
that’s exactly what I think
(To be honest, I’m unsure of how much the jury could have been influenced by media anyway. I thought they were “sequestered” away from everything after they got picked? Then again, the media didn’t exactly talk about them in like the first week and a half that this popped up on my radar until after the trial was over, so…)
Oh, as I said above in that long-winded block, I don’t believe the prosecution proved its case either, at least with regards to first-degree murder. Which is rather laughable given how obviously easily she could have been convicted on lesser but still serious charges. I’d argue that they probably went for 1st degree murder as well due to the type of the high profile case they knew it would turn out to be–missing/murdered little white girl plus white woman murderer-mom is such obvious ratings gold. This seems especially true given the lead prosecutor specifically stayed on to make sure he was around the entire time to make this his last case instead of retiring when he was going to and turning it over to someone else. It seemed pretty clear he wanted to end his career on a high note and with some fame.
It seems like that backfired…big time. He’ll be famous; just not for the reason he hoped he would be.
wishes he could think of some pun related to said persecutor’s incompetence so he could don some sunglasses
Ah. Fuck it.
I don’t think anyone’s stupid enough to believe she told the truth about her daughter. Maybe some really delusional people and/or people who want to fuck her, but that would be about it.
Actually, even those people don’t really have a “truth” to believe because we know that she lied about literally everything with regards to her daughter and it’s not like she actually said anything in trial, unless you’re claiming what the defense claimed about drowning in the swimming pool is what she “said”. That’s…possible but not guaranteed.
Meh.
Even before axeman61 pointed out the more common flaws with that bill, I’m rather annoyed at how lazily such laws are done or reached. They’re pretty much never enacted beforehand (even if they’re something you’d think would be obvious for safety) and pretty much always only enacted because something happens to some missing white girl rather than a girl of any other color or a boy of any color.
So, all I ask is that if you’re going to genuinely support it, then try to make sure that it will actually do good & encourage whoever passes it to try to be more proactive about passing laws that genuinely protect people rather than fuck people over or are just things that they do so they can get the public to pat them back for a job done too late. At the very least, try to think of the possible exceptions to the rule or reasons besides being a drunken slut that people might not do such a thing right away like axeman61 pointed out so that they enact it competently.
I mean, nonexistent Lord knows that at least half of the people outraging over this case don’t actually care about the little girl at all. It’s not like I have children, so I honestly couldn’t care less about this law for the most part, especially knowing how fake most of the aforementioned people are.
You have a kid, so just try to make sure that this would be a good law logically and not emotionally. Not saying that you can ultimately do anything, but at least try.
They don’t care that she lied several times. Didn’t you hear?! She was sexually assaulted by her Dad! The moment you are sexually assaulted you forfeit all responsibility for your actions for the rest of your life.
Me. I didn’t know even know about this shit, until this thread was made.
All I know is, whether or not she literally killed her child it is without a doubt her fault the child is dead.
She is responsible for the death of her daughter by negligence in my opinion, which really is basically just as bad as murder when it, y’know, ends up with someone dead.
They do care that she’s a liar. That’s the thing she actually got convicted for doing.
As for the sexual assault thing, that was her attorney’s story. I doubt she had much to do with cooking it up.
Child neglect has its own category. And the prosecution would have almost certainly won if they’d gone for that instead of the thing where she actively killed her kid and even planned it out ahead of time… shit that they must have known they couldn’t prove.
really? Man, lawyers are greedy in all kinds of ways.
(I wonder if things will get temporarily worse when she’s released on Sunday.)
Yeah, the fact that the prosecution couldn’t really ever prove 1st degree murder with the circumstantial evidence that they had while negligence or even manslaughter was pretty much a slam dunk just goes to show how avaricious they were.
No, like goody said, they did care she lied. That’s all they cared about, unfortunately, since the “lack of hard evidence” made it apparently impossible to connect the dots to a lesser charge.
I do have to wonder if they would have found her guilty even of that, though, had the sexual assault been proven, especially given that it’s another thing that only “attractive”, heterosexual white women can get away with since pretty much any other victim would be less likely to be believed, still held accountable for what they did or even be blamed–the very last option pretty much always happens to men.
Yeah, he admitted that he basically stayed on when he was “always going to retire” just to finish up this case, though I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he had “conveniently” decided to stay on had he won by not fouling it up like an idiot. I really can’t see any other reason for him to stay around AND for them to prosecute it as a 1st degree murder case with the evidence they had otherwise if it wasn’t greed and stupidity.
How much money did the lawyer make on this case?
An article about Casey’s current situation:
http://news.yahoo.com/now-free-casey-anthony-avoiding-public-eye-081757315.html
Long story short: She’s broke and she still has legal troubles to deal with.
Or Native American, or Muslim, or Hispanic, or, or…