Capcom's Campaign for Casuals: Can SFV win back the mainstream?

[spliffy_baz]

SFV just needed a weapons master mode like SolCal2

SF5 just needed to not be an incomplete pos game. But it is.

[Hecatom]

It’s extremely simple. It almost makes me think that these companies are brainless.

The reason most people don’t get into FGs is because they don’t want to waste hours and hours and hours losing 80-90% of the time. It’s especially frustrating because it’s a one on one game. This makes losing far more disheartening.

THAT’S IT! It’s nothing more complicated than that. That aspect can NEVER be fixed. There will always be a frustratingly high learning curve which most people don’t want to deal with.

What can be fixed is adding more content and more variety. For most gamers, there needs to be much more to do than what FGs currently offer.
If Capcom or NRS or Arc wants to move units, they need enough hours of content so that for some people, playing one on one against a human is more of a side option.

I have a lot of friends who play video games. ZERO of them have any interest in FGs for the exact reasons I’ve just stated. If Capcom doesn’t want to do this, then they’ll just have to accept that more people are watching some schmuck beat Mario 64 for the thousandth time rather than watching SFV streams.

[TWINBLADES]

SFV just needed a weapons master mode like SolCal2

SF5 just needed to not be an incomplete pos game. But it is.

I don’t know man I’m still playing so it’s not that bad for me. The technical parts are fucked but I could give two farts about casual shit.

SFV getting an arcade release next year is a step in the right direction.

[VarmintBaby]

They are joking, right? Dota have tons of champions, with tons of moves, items, builds, etc. Heartstone have many cards and decklists and even CS there’s things to memorize, like ideal spots for camping and to throw grenades, etc. There’s much less things to memorize in SFV than in any of these games.

You are correct, but this is from the perspective of someone who is already competitive at another game. Johnny Hearthstone is already spending a lot of his free time scouring the new for the latest metagame snapshots, decklists and whatever for Hearthstone. He doesn’t have time to also look up SF5 minutiae on top of that. Let’s face it. Hearthstone/CS/Dota/LoL players won’t give up their games for SF5. The time investment required to get good is the reason why they don’t play it on the side.

Even for me it’s a factor. I’ve been playing fighting games for more than a decade but I don’t buy all the games I want to play because I just don’t have the time to get good at them. Between work, SF5, Hearthstone and Magic the Gathering I don’t have any more time. I picked up Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax and Nitroplus Blasterz because they were simple and easy to play, but I held off on KoF and GG for lack of time. I already have a foundation from playing KoF 99-2003 and GG Accent Core! I can imagine it just seems impossible for someone else with no fighting game foundation.

I respectfully disagree. I am 35 years old as of this past Sept and I played SF, MK, and KI sparingly back in the day. I was mainly a PC FPS player in my gaming formative years. I just recently "discovered’ the joys of fighting games and have picked up SF5, MKX, GG, KOF, Persona 4 Arena Ultimax, and Tekken 6 within the last 8 months or so. I also got my first fight stick around that time. I’m not going to win EVO any time soon, but I’m very competent at each game with SF5 being my strongest game because of it’s simplicity. I literally spend every night switching between each game and between my PS3/PS4 playing different fighting games. I’ve collected 4 different fight sticks and I"m into the hobby full bore. I work full time and also on call a lot of weeks as IT for a company. If you really enjoy it enough you’ll find the time to play each one and each one will teach you something that will help in another. For example in SF5 I had the hardest time comboing into super with Birdie going from right to left. After playing KOF and the speed of the game is so much higher, I can combo into super in SF5 like nothing now because my execution speed increased due to necessity from KOF. I pre-orderd the new BlazBlue and hope that my experience with Guilty Gear will help me get better at that game more quickly. Sorry for the long read but long story short, if you love fighting games get em all and enjoy em!

[BB_Hoody]

I think we should focus not on why casuals aren’t buying fighting games, but why they aren’t buying SF5 specifically. Because MKX sold a ton last year for a fighting game, and the giant backlash on SF5 just shows how much interest this game brought up amongst all kinds of gamers.
That is under the assumption that SF5 sold less than it could’ve had reasonably done. Because we all know the number of regular players didn’t really change and that the base may look larger just because of crossplay.

MKX sold so well because it had more content in it that wasn’t just about 1v1 fighting. Not to mention it didn’t have a shitacular launch. Like if a casual player gets tired of 1v1 online. They can play a variety of other game modes. People especially those who just play casually like that variety.

[JoeyTones]

They are joking, right? Dota have tons of champions, with tons of moves, items, builds, etc. Heartstone have many cards and decklists and even CS there’s things to memorize, like ideal spots for camping and to throw grenades, etc. There’s much less things to memorize in SFV than in any of these games.

You are correct, but this is from the perspective of someone who is already competitive at another game. Johnny Hearthstone is already spending a lot of his free time scouring the new for the latest metagame snapshots, decklists and whatever for Hearthstone. He doesn’t have time to also look up SF5 minutiae on top of that. Let’s face it. Hearthstone/CS/Dota/LoL players won’t give up their games for SF5. The time investment required to get good is the reason why they don’t play it on the side.

Even for me it’s a factor. I’ve been playing fighting games for more than a decade but I don’t buy all the games I want to play because I just don’t have the time to get good at them. Between work, SF5, Hearthstone and Magic the Gathering I don’t have any more time. I picked up Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax and Nitroplus Blasterz because they were simple and easy to play, but I held off on KoF and GG for lack of time. I already have a foundation from playing KoF 99-2003 and GG Accent Core! I can imagine it just seems impossible for someone else with no fighting game foundation.

I respectfully disagree. I am 35 years old as of this past Sept and I played SF, MK, and KI sparingly back in the day. I was mainly a PC FPS player in my gaming formative years. I just recently "discovered’ the joys of fighting games and have picked up SF5, MKX, GG, KOF, Persona 4 Arena Ultimax, and Tekken 6 within the last 8 months or so. I also got my first fight stick around that time. I’m not going to win EVO any time soon, but I’m very competent at each game with SF5 being my strongest game because of it’s simplicity. I literally spend every night switching between each game and between my PS3/PS4 playing different fighting games. I’ve collected 4 different fight sticks and I"m into the hobby full bore. I work full time and also on call a lot of weeks as IT for a company. If you really enjoy it enough you’ll find the time to play each one and each one will teach you something that will help in another. For example in SF5 I had the hardest time comboing into super with Birdie going from right to left. After playing KOF and the speed of the game is so much higher, I can combo into super in SF5 like nothing now because my execution speed increased due to necessity from KOF. I pre-orderd the new BlazBlue and hope that my experience with Guilty Gear will help me get better at that game more quickly. Sorry for the long read but long story short, if you love fighting games get em all and enjoy em!

That’s awesome (for real), but the average person who’s playing Hearthstone or Dota religiously will not get this into FGs.

[Jimbo13]

I think having a FF beat em up would have been a sick side game since it could be the segway for FF characters to be in V. Mini games tied to the trials and or other challenges.

This ^^. A Final fight beat em up as a single player mode is long over due in fighters, Tekken already tried a poorly implemented version of this in one of their games.

Most fighting games already have a lack of content in comparison to modern games, DLCing it and the nickle and dime shit wont work with the casuals.

[BB_Hoody]

Yeah I really don’t see why a Beat’em up mode can’t be added to fighters.

[Pertho]

The tekken 6 beat’em up thingy was a full game unto itself. That thing was ridiculous.

[Jimbo13]

Final fight on it’s own in 2016 would probably be a bit vapid by today’s standards, don’t see why they don’t combine it with fighters so they are comparable to modern games in terms of content.

[Hawkingbird]

I think having a FF beat em up would have been a sick side game since it could be the segway for FF characters to be in V. Mini games tied to the trials and or other challenges.

This ^^. A Final fight beat em up as a single player mode is long over due in fighters, Tekken already tried a poorly implemented version of this in one of their games.

Guilty Gear Judgment says hello.

[OceanMachine]

The Double Dragon Neon reboot was kinda neat thanks to the humour. Something along those lines might work.

[Vhozite]

Maybe they could include a port of one of the older games? I think Killer Instinct does this. Idk may not even need multiplyer.

Or better yet just add in one of the FF games.

[Jimbo13]

Maybe they could include a port of one of the older games? I think Killer Instinct does this. Idk may not even need multiplyer.

Or better yet just add in one of the FF games.

I been saying this for awhile, Just call it Street Fighter and do something like a MMO/FightCade model with networking and match making, new expansions are new rulesets rosters.

It would breathe so much life in to the old games, Versus would be tricky and require new deals but i’m sure they could make some of it happen.

[ukyo_rulz]

I just recently "discovered’ the joys of fighting games and have picked up SF5, MKX, GG, KOF, Persona 4 Arena Ultimax, and Tekken 6 within the last 8 months or so. I also got my first fight stick around that time. I’m not going to win EVO any time soon, but I’m very competent at each game with SF5 being my strongest game because of it’s simplicity. I literally spend every night switching between each game and between my PS3/PS4 playing different fighting games.

Most nights I can’t play at all. I work in Japan and I only have the time to even turn on my PS4 for about 1.5 to 2 hours every three days or so. I am only able to keep up with Hearthstone at all because I can play it on my phone. Maybe I could play KoF and GG too if I was only playing fighting games, but I don’t want to give up my other hobbies.

The people I asked are in a similar situation (mostly Dota, Hearthstone, Magic the Gathering, CS players). They are heavily into other hobbies and games they play competitively. They have a vague interest in SF5 but don’t bother because they think they lack the time. Even they could pull it off in reality, it’s their perception that matters.

[DansDecision]

None of the proposed solutions will happen…even the menu system is worse than AE, they gambled on realising a product not near finished and it’s backfired big time.

You’re competing with Infinity Ward FFS and you don’t even have a win/loss counter Crapcop, I mean real tea the game is absolute garbage.

My empirical evidence is inline with the steam chart, about 1/5th of the players there was.

I’ve played hundreds of battles and seen one birdie, character selection just another contributing factor. I’m only hanging around for Dan but…

A. The ship has sailed
B. They blew it
C. Big gigantic free updates with x amount of content which they have kind of already done is not even going to register on the radar of Joe Bloggs

I think heavy discounting of the game is all that can be done now, put it up for a pocket full of nickles because that’s all it’s worth to a punter taking the chance.