Capcom Going Broke, only $152 mill in the bank

[crotchpuncha]

That games pretty tough with the planes system and the turn around button tho…Still I’ve seen people do crazy shit in that game, so why not right?

[drwill439]

That games pretty tough with the planes system and the turn around button tho…Still I’ve seen people do crazy shit in that game, so why not right?

Is is worth picking up? I’ve seen it on Steam, but I didn’t buy it.

[Smashbro29]

Capcom is just way ahead of the times. People just can’t handle all the excitement yet, that’s all. 10 years later and people will be marveling at how they even came up with such innovations.

Street Fighter X Tekken HD Remix. Only on Xbox Three and PS5

I would buy that.

[crotchpuncha]

That games pretty tough with the planes system and the turn around button tho…Still I’ve seen people do crazy shit in that game, so why not right?

Is is worth picking up? I’ve seen it on Steam, but I didn’t buy it.

Not really no. No one plays it and you need at least 3 people for it to be worth while or else you might as well play a normal Guilty Gear game and not deal with the planes shifting mechanic and the turn around button. Guilty Gear is hard to play as it is, adding those two mechanics on top of it and it becomes that much harder to find people who are any good at it. Hell it’s hard to find people who are any good at normal Guilty Gear

[chaoslimits]

But I’m comparing it to SFxT (simply because its the biggest black eye on Capcom atm) - and from a ‘ground up’ cost perspective - I’d wager that SFxT required more to make. People point at the reused SF4 models - which is partially legit - but they ignore the completely new Tekken characters who were done from the ground up brand new, not just the models, not just the mapping, not just the attacks, not just the balancing, everything was 100% brand new. Capcom could EASILY argue that the ‘Tekken’ portion of the cast is a $60 game unto itself, whether you’d want to play it not part of the financial equation. Then on top of that they throw in the reused SF4 models and do new models for other characters.

To me - its a matter of the expectation that a game shouldn’t cost more than $60 - no matter what it cost to make. If it’s a niche game - there is some expectation that the cost is going to be lower as its not a AAA title, when the reality of recouping cost means the fewer units they expect to sale, the more valuable they NEED each unit to be. Capcom could put together a ‘safe’ estimate to the units of the game sold, predicated on current market performance of their fighting game products, with a slight uptick from Tekken sales. If they are going to take a loss or barely break even because of cost/overhead - trying to keep the game @ $60, then DLC is the best answer - it isn’t required spending, and it will assist with keeping the project afloat. I mean lets keep it real, if Capcom needed the game to sell @ $80 to turn a profit with the expected numbers - who would have bought it for $80?

Agreed for the most part. Even the SF cast, not to mention the new additions (Poison and co), are fairly modified from SF4; there aren’t any characters I can think off that are 1 to 1 copies of their SF4 iterations.
The on disk DLC controversy is also stupid. Doing the math (who would actually do that) for current fighting games puts Capcom ahead of almost everyone else. 12 characters for $20 is more than reasonable but people choose to go nuts because Capcom has the “nerve” to put the incomplete character models/artwork on disk? The characters were patched on the DLCs release; the completed DLC wasn’t on the disk lol. Putting new character data should be standard for all tournament games. Having to download large amounts of DLC data should be a negative (trying to download DLC by tethering from my phone was a very interesting experience).
Putting aside the quality of the game (cos actual tournament winners view it differently than forum/pot monsters), from a content/value point of view we got a lot more than we paid for. $80 for SFxT with all DLC characters? I have paid for it 2x and would gladly do it again. Setting an arbitrary limit of $60 per game does not make sense to me; value is far more important.
I generally don’t pity corporations but I feel for Capcom. If they suffered loses due to the reception of SFxT, it is undeserved. If they go bankrupt and we don’t get the games everyone seems to want (I say seems to because this whiny fanbase will invariably find something to bitch about), that is completely deserved.
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Although fuck the money grab attempt with gems; that was BS.

[LivewireX]

Yeah, it is kind of weird on that. Especially since the shit that’s been going on with Killer Instinct 2013 is even worse than what happened with SFxT by a good bit (well, character-wise, I thought the whole way gems got handled was kinda sketchy in and of itself), but since everyone was like “OMG! Killer Instinct!” nobody minds just bending over and taking it.

[Chachaman]

The DLC chars in SFxT were complete not incomplete they were fully functional. Jill and shuma on disc are good example of incomplete chars. SfxT was a huge money grab that deserved the backlash it got and the game still made capcom money (1+ million sales), maybe not as much money as their greedy ass wanted lmao.

Remember RE6 expected sales?

[Smashbro29]

KI looks shitty.

The art style, the changes to make it PC.

Fuck that. Nintendo would have no problem with stereotypes and colors.

[crotchpuncha]

Fuck Killer Instinct. That shit is retarded, sell me one fighter at a time. gtfo MS.

[AlphaZero]

Fuck Killer Instinct. That shit is retarded, sell me one fighter at a time. gtfo MS.

Or don’t buy any of them. Play the game for free with the weekly rotating characters. Or buy all 8 for $20. or buy every costume every character and KI classic for $40. Don’t really see what’s wrong with that structure, and anyone who buys characters individually is just dumb when you can get all 8 for $20.

[S00perCam]

@SooperCam. That Ryu in SF example was terrible. There’s a big difference between losing a character thus an assist in MVC2 or 3 and a character losing their core moves in SF. X factor among other things was simply Capcom trying to make the game noob friendly.

If you dont think losing a character in marvel 2 is equivalent to losing your DP in street fighter you havent played enough marvel 2

most matches are over before they are over and thats disrespectful to the players time

Marvels fun and I’ve had a long long long love affair with it but they just arent ever going to get the proper leeway they need to fine tune a marvel game like they should

its explained here perfectly

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/slippery-slope-and-perpetual-comeback.html

Xfactor isnt there so that a new player can take advantage of it and random out an experienced player its so that in high level once your down to the last character your not in a situation where you may as well turn off the Dreamcast