Even more fun (And to keep it Capcom) DMC4, Lost Planet 1&2, Dead Rising 1&2, RE5 and MVC3 all run on the MT Framework engine.
yeah a games mechanics=/=engine, it’s more than semantics saying you don’t like the mechanics of fifty cent blood on the sand isn’t the same as saying you dislike the unreal engine.
I *know *industry terms and common misuses, but I still use “________ engine” when talking about gameplay just for the sake of moving the conversation along (especially when talking with people who don’t know better).
Seriously is stupid getting hung up by it.
As long as it’s “gameplay engine” I can live with it
Even then, are people now seriously denying that mvc3 is similar to tvc? and with all this terminology lesson aside people will still deny that mvc3 grew from tvc(not a continuation from mvc2 but from tvc)? and plays, looks, and feels like it? even if it were a different engine, people will still use that as justification on not being similar? I know we got to defend our games but come on…
capxnam? I know that they wont be exactly the same that would be stupid, but hell the only diffrence I saw from that demo was donkey kick and tag team inclusion. Developers even said that it will play like 4, I dont understand how people can deny that.
I guess attacking the word “engine” was my mistake in the first place.
Ya know what I worry about? World peace.
You’re a funny man, that’s why I kill you last.
In my defense, I honestly thought he was talking about game engines, and not gameplay styles.
And ever since SFIV there has been a lot of misconceptions, especially in threads speculating new games (like Darkstalkers etc) saying that if it uses the SFIV engine it’s gonna have that character look and it’s gonna play slow and so on. I want people to not judge unreleased games based on the engine.
The proper thing to blame for games playing too alike is the desginers/producers imo. TvC and MvC3 does not use the same engine, but they have the same producer, right?
Edit: But what’s wrong with MvC3 being like TvC? TvC finals were super hype, and that game will surely die soon and be replaced by MvC3. I don’t think they will coexist like two similiar games.
Anyway, I don’t believe SFxT will play like SFIV at all… But it’s still way to early to tell, because didn’t they say the game was 2 years away? What we saw was so early it can’t be used as a reference I think.
Capcom = UFC of fighting games. Even though there are other good fighters out there, it’s the Capcom ones that the casual fan knows about and knows are the ones guaranteed used in tournaments. So that’s what they gravitate towards. They’re established and newcomers know if they play Street Fighter and other Capcom fighters and they want to play them competitively, there’s going to be a scene for all of them. So in their minds, why bother playing anything else? People like to latch on to one brand and right now it’s Capcom and probably will be for a long long time.
I’m mainly talking in the US.
But you can’t blame Capcom. They’re not responsible for what the fighting game community plays. It is what it is.
Thats what Im sort of afraid of. Like I said its all good and shit but later on… there will be nothing else to play. I know its not capcom’s fault, but thats why I asked about this. In all seriousness, is this all right to you guys to where this is headed?
That is not where we’re headed. There simply isn’t a comparable situation in the game industry to support this theory. EA’s bullshit with the NFL license comes close, but that’s way different in terms of how it happened.
And not to sound like a weebo but it’s been my observation that Japanese game companies thrive on industry competition rather than the Western monopoly bullshit. This is why we’ve seen more cases of crossover and collaborations with Jap companies than within Western ones. One Jap company would see a rival game and say “Bring it on, bitches, see you next fiscal year,” while American companies see competition and say, “Are they a threat? Damn… Let’s buy out the company and if that doesn’t work perhaps we could lock down the developers.”
Not to be un-American but I find that philosophy pathetic. So long as the Japanese have respect for the industry we won’t see the Guitar Hero-ing of Street Fighter 4 (or anything else from Capcom).
Marketing and business decisions aside.
I see what you’re saying, but like you said there isnt a comparable situation, yet. Dont get me wrong I get your point but like MENTHOL said, the general public will move to what is familiar and will jump between those few games that capcom made, with the mentality that they are playing something different, in essence. But when other gamers look for competition in other areas they will be completely empty and taken over. Like I said in my first post, take evo for example, going and watching practically the same finals on sunday. Acceptable?
Yes it is. It’s just Evo, what does it have to do with what you play or what developers make?
I think your real issue is just not finding that tournament interesting anymore, which I can empathize in a way. Your issue also antagonizes the players, not Capcom. This is a common trope here at SRK, if a scene dies, splits up, cross-pollinates with newer players; it’s the company’s fault - when I believe it’s almost entirely the will of the gamers themselves.
But you don’t need to worry, there simply isn’t cause for concern save boredom.
So if a game has univseral airdashes its TvC? Oh wow, here I was thinking I was playing Guilty Gear when I was really playing TvC.
Err thats basically what Ive been saying all this time. People need to realize the power that evo holds on what gets played. All games will be played, but evo chooses which ones will hit the competitive level in the US. Of course Im antagonizing the players, it has never been about capcom being the problem. I guess for you its acceptable that one day evo will be tekkenx2, mvc3x2, and superx2.
omfg…
Because I like you, I’m willing to let this strawman slide, but avoid those temptations next time.
Now; you overstate Evo. I see it has a culmination rather than a trailblazer, like WWE’s Wrestlemania or a sports championship. After all the training and hype players gather to prove their dominance, but Evo doesn’t determine what’s played competitively, that all happens before the fact.
Hey, Guilty Gear also has a 1 button launcher, so it must be a rip off of TvC.
lol@the idea that anyone will be playing TVC once MVC3 comes out… hilarious!
Did you not see how it had chains and not links and the tech rolls and the crouch wavedash thing that goes through fireballs? I mean even if you just changed SFIV so everything was chains instead of links it’d be radically different to play. There’d probably be more Vegas and such also.
Nope, completely unacceptable, but that’s not the case, and never will be. Need to try a little harder than that.
You really didn’t notice the chain combos and juggling? Maybe the reason you think MvC3 is identical to TvC or SFxT ( which isn’t going to be out for two years and we’ve only seen one very short gameplay video of… ) is identical to SSF4 or that TxSF ( which we haven’t seen shit from ) is identical to T6 is that you’re not actually paying attention to anything.