Except for the small part about Brawl taking very little skill to actually play compared to other simplistic fighters on the market. All you have to do in Brawl is learn Meta Knight and you will win. Its literally a matter of character choice over skill.
I don’t agree with that statement. Personal experience dictates as such. Honestly, the character I chose when I played the game had a 7-3 matchup with MK, and was considered low tier. I didn’t have nearly as much of a problem with MK as I do with Chun in 3s playing Ryu.
This is where I think the community splits. But at the same time, if you do agree with the aforementioned statement, just play melee and SHUT THE FUCK UP about Brawl. We hate your community because people don’t just shut the fuck up and play their own game. The more you come here and complain about how you hate brawl, the more you’re digging a whole for yourselves. The converse is the same. If you’re coming here to defend Brawl and how “It is a competative game, and you’re not like them…” shut the fuck up. Just play your game, and stop justifying your existence. You’re digging a hole.
If you like Melee better… good shit. Just go play it. But don’t come around here talking shit on a game you don’t like, because all you end up doing is making yourself look like a twelve year old GameFAQs member, who won’t stop whining about stupid shit no one cares about.
Just saw this. MK was never officially banned so I dunno where you’re getting this from. Also, if I recall correctly, your community banned Akuma not only from ST but from HDR too. PLEASE don’t give the smash community shit for having a DEBATE over whether to ban Mk or not when you guys banned him at evo even though alot of the community it seems didn’t think that he should be banned.
Way to set an example, guys. 
I wholeheartedly agree with with a lot of what you have to say.
But you have to realize that the community is HUGE, just split into a Brawl population and a melee population, albeit with people who play both in the middle. It’s not about just shutting up and playing your own game, because that would split the community even more. The bitching you claim to be annoying, although you are every bit justified in thinking so, is really not as prevalent as you might think. For the most part on the forums, Brawl players stay in their boards and Melee players do the same.
The tier list is not biased. Sonic was moved up with the discovery of Aerial Spin Charge + other techniques and the overall improvement of his matchups and tournament placings. Wario rose significantly as well, with players Fiction figuring out how to use him most effectively and placing very high in tournaments.
I don’t see anything wrong with Brawl+. It’s simply an entirely community-driven project designed to make the game more fun and more balanced. There’s nothing wrong with that if people decide to. In fact, I sense a spot of hypocrisy. You tell us to “shut the fuck up and play our own game” and yet you bitch about Brawl+? 
Completely right. Smash’s metagame advancement is so completely player-driven and time-dependent that you have to give the game time before you can consider character rankings, etc. I remember back when Link was higher on the Melee tier list because no one had really mastered L-canceling and Links OOS options are pretty silly against people that attack your sheild(lololol SPin attack!). Hell, that was back when Sheik was the best in the game too and people begged for her to be banned.
There’s a very, very big difference. In ST-- Akuma can’t be dizzied, he has an air fireball, half his moves are invincible, and he’s DELIBERATELY made impossible to beat. In fact most of the times his hit box disappears.
In HDR, I don’t really agree with the Akuma ban… but then again, other people will give you reasons for it.
The debate over MK I thought was stupid, because he’s a character who’s just good at a lot of things. He’s not OP, or Broken. There are ways to beat him and everybody just see’s fit to complain about how OP he is and how they can’t get past any of his normal shit.
And maybe I should rephrase this last part: Every couple of months, the board has a bunch of Smash players come here and explain to us how it’s not their community’s fault for the perception they have been given-- and they attempt to circumvent all of the blame on Brawl. THAT’S what I’m talking about. It’s unbelievably childish.
And if you want me to stop bitching about Brawl+, then fine. I was just illustrating for you why SRK has such a problem with the whole thing. I did this so that people would stop making these stupid threads, and talk about the mechanics of this game as opposed to “LOL, U PLY BRAWLZ! ROFL! GO PLY MELEE. KTHXBYE!”
If you think it’s hypocritical. Then fine. Keep posting about it. But You still sound like twelve year old’s whining whenever you do it… and a good portion of SRK just get’s annoyed whenever you do. I’d love to see Brawl AND Melee at an Evo in the future(in the PROPER way), but with the way this community acts on these boards… I’m not so sure it’s going to happen.
Smash is hated here simply because of the communities response to Evo 08 and the whole items rule set. If ANYTHING, the Smash community acted idiotic and they still refuse to accept their game for what it is and won’t listen to any reasons why either. Its more immature than any FPS community out there.
MK makes half the roster unplayable against him alone. He is broken, but not to the level of ST Akuma.
Brawl+ is for people who refuse to play Melee, but want to play Brawl.
Too bad Ness’s Fair rapes everyone lol.
if we’re going to generalize, brawl plus is for people that refuse to play brawl and want to play ‘melee 2.0’ with brawl characters. either way, it’s wrong. brawl plus is a different game, just like brawl and melee. its a blend of elements from the previous 3 smash games into one awesome game.
Evo wouldn’t listen to SBR who is the “God” of the Smash community, and they acted childish over it. Is that why they got 200+ players showed up at EVO in 08? I would like to think that this is why the Smash scene now has an items rule set, when it wouldn’t even have been considered two years ago. I completely agree with you, so don’t get me wrong.
I would like to see that evidence, if you don’t mind. I have already seen the tier lists and the match up formula, so don’t go bringing those up again.
The items ruleset is still in testing and as far as I know, has not had any major tournament exposure.
MK is OP in the sense that he had neutral or favorable matchups with every character on any legal stage. He is definitely not broken, as he can be beaten, but he is obviously a far better character than any other.
Whatever man, there are always gonna be idiots who do stupid things. A few weeks ago we had some guy post in the melee discussion forum about how we should all quit playing a shit game and buy a 360, play Halo or something. Laughs were had and the thread was promptly locked.
MK can gimp many characters and out prioritize them in the air. D-Smash kills characters like no ones buisness just by using the move at very low percents.
MK has some of the largest, most disjointed hitboxs on the ground AND in the air. His attacks don’t clash or trade with other attacks, they only pass through, which makes speed the only factor in an exchange. Since 90% of his attacks activate in single-digit frames, being out sped is no concern for him.
The BEST edgeguarding in the game hands-down with PLENTY of attacks that set up for edgeguards. Dair sends opponents at a downward angle, effectively gimping anyone without multiple jumps. Nair has respectable knockback, as does Fair and Bair. And let’s not forget the deal-sealer, Shuttle Loop.
The best recovery in the game. Is completely unedgeguardable and if you haven’t noticed, edgeguarding is a major part of smash. 5 jumps, a glide, 4 recovery moves(one of which puts him into a second glide).
BUT HE’S REALLY LIGHT! True, but his awesome momentum cancel makes him live up to very high percents so it’s almost like he’s not light at all.
Yeah, he’s pretty silly.
Damn, listing all of this makes me want to ban him almost. I really can’t think of one bad characteristic he has. D:
as far as I know, there are no bad parts about him are a subpar air speed (which doesn’t matter that much since he’s invincible in the air anyways) and like… no projectile (along with most of the cast).
How about how he isn’t winning the national tournaments? That’s a pretty bad quality to have.
If we look at his hitboxes that we can see now, most of the over stated ones aren’t actually that big, especially down air. His weakness is in his lack of aerial manuverability, and no, he is not invincible in the air. An example, ZSS beats him in the air. Shit, JIGGLYPUFF BEATS HIM IN THE AIR (according to the Jigglypuff matchup thread). As for momentum canceling, his ability is overstated. Little known thing is that Wario is not heavy, but because of his aerial maneuverability he can change his momentum fast enough to live much, much longer than he should. Metaknight has next to no aerial maneuverability, so he’s hindered by this. As Fiction revealed in one bit of research, the difference between how fast the aerial comes out doesn’t matter as much as people think it does, its the difference of like 5 percent. What matters is the fastfall you initiate by starting the aerial.
Metaknight is still probably the best character in the game, but his ability is overstated, and Snake is taking over more and more as time goes on.
yes, people exaggerate his abilities, mostly due to johns (excuses) about losing.
he’s definitely beatable.
But he rapes and he rapes hard. That’s undeniable.
I would honestly say that the fact that he isn’t winning is due to the fact that M2k is kinda sucking right now and he and Ally are pretty much the top top of the brawl metagame right now on a level above anyone else.
Maybe it means they are not the best (or are losing steam)
On thing I have to mention is everyone complains in that Meta-Knight has no bad match-ups, but look at Sagat in Street Fighter 4. He has no bad match ups either, and actually has 6:4 on high tier characters (save Ryu) while Meta-Knight is still 5:5 with every top tier character save Dedede. Sagat, however, is considered very beatable though and is defiantly not in question for a ban.
So, basically, one more reason why he is defiantly beatable.
LOL, Brawl.
Someone said Meta goes even with all the top/high tiers which is false. Meta beats all these characters 60/40:
Marth
Falco
DDD
Waro
Ice climbers
He also beats Snake and Diddy but 60/40 would be an overstatement and make is sound worse for Snake and Diddy than it actually is.
Clearly the best char in the game comparable to HD remix Akuma from what I hear.
Not really banworthy though since removing him from the game doesn’t change the tourney scene much in terms of what is or isn’t viable aside from maybe making Marth much better.
As far as his character properties? Transcendent priority means his sword never clashes or trades, only beats.
Best pokes in the game, a frame 3 D-tilt that is a -11(?) frame trap I think on shield.
Tornado is kinda stupidly good.
Grounded up-b has invincibility on frames…5-8 I believe and is hard to punish + goes into glide and lagless glide attack or simply auto cancelling it.
A frame 2 arieal for juggling and a frame 4 arieal with a huge hitbox for arieal camping and/or gimping depending on circumstances.
Frame 6 D-smash for killing and a largley unpunishable F-smash.
I also think his air dodge and backwards roll are among the best frame wise in the game.
As for weaknesses, he’s light and has mediocre arieal mobility(irony?).
As for Brawl being a bad game/nintendo is evil, Brawl is pretty much a beta version of an unfinished game. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8983191&postcount=13607
And that’s all I have to say.
Huh? Since when has Smash had a national tournament? Enlighten me.