Cannon Spike! The Cammy Thread

[Syxx573]

It really depends on what you intend to do (or fake your opponent into thinking you are going to do) after the attack.

If you want to chain the backfist into some combo, or if you want to be sure to get two hits (for example, against someone who has one pixel of health remaining, or against someone who reverses poorly, or someone who always tries to reverse and isn’t using macros), then you’re better off going deep.

If he’s too far away for you get two hits without a high risk of a reversal, and if you don’t feel comfortable with a meaty hooligan slide (which will land you closer to him, and which is, again, safe on block if properly timed and spaced), then you want to try to hit him with the very end of your fist for just one hit.

It’s also character-dependent, of course; vs. Boxer, for example, I rarely go for the two-hit. His buffalo headbutt seems to have more frames of invulnerability at its start than most reversals (or maybe it’s just quicker), with the result that I get smacked because I came in too deep. Better to go for the single-hit, edge-of-her-fist version against him.

Also, if you’re close enough and you’re anticipating a projectile, by all means, do the fierce (HP) version (I’m still trying to condition myself to do this, since the fierce version only now goes through projectiles). He won’t be able to hit you while he’s recovering from the projectile, and even if he blocks the backfist, you’ll take off two pixels of block damage and you’ll be right next to him, in his face, and able to issue another attack while he’s in block stun (normal into hooligan, jab or short then throw, walk up and throw, etc.).

I was kind of under the impression it would stuff reversals. Maybe I’ll just use it against people who can’t reversal that well or something, but if that’s the case it doesn’t sound like something I would really need to win to begin with.

spin knuckle works well against anticipated sonic booms (in my short experience)… as do hooligans of course

not so much chun-li’s fireballs, but i haven’t played against her that much

[System_1]

If you think about it just a Remix Cammy is a quick 50/50 at most times.

[Syxx573]

kinda

you really need to be crafty to get damage with her… and also know when to punish… and don’t get baited into doing stuff, instead focus on baiting people to attack and then punish with super, drill or thrust kick, and punish unsafe attacks on block with cr.mk drill (or whatever you normally do). Also getting into patterns is bad but if you can suprise people with hooligan, then you are doing your job.

[System_1]

Was playing a match against Balrog earlier today, and am wondering if Rog is a bad matchup for Cammy. I’ve managed to shunt most of his specials with nothing more than c.mk and lk.cannondrill, occasionally catching him with Hooligan into Frankensteiner if they remained block-happy. What are Rog’s options when confronted with a zoning-happy cammy aside from a headbut to catch cammy in mid poke?

[dodgers2213]

I’m unable to execute a combo after a crossup…for any other character for that matter

I’ve tried to test the combos on game speed of 0 and i still can’t get them. Any tips?

[Shari]

For people having trouble with honda headbutt i’ve been able to consistently beat it with spike without any real difficulty.

Did the spike beat the headbutt in ST aswell ?

If so what is it other than that which makes honda her worst matchup ?

[System_1]

For people having trouble with honda headbutt i’ve been able to consistently beat it with spike without any real difficulty.

Did the spike beat the headbutt in ST aswell ?

If so what is it other than that which makes honda her worst matchup ?

Spike beats headbutt, but only if the spike’s invulnerable frames outlast those of the lp.headbut. Otherwise it should be a clear-cut counter. The problem is two fold: 1) Timing is strict, 2)requiring you to read your opponents. If you’re catching honda left right and center with spikes, then your opponent either is predictable as hell, not adapting to you spiking him at predictable points of the match, or you’re that damn good.

I wont make assumptions on your skill, but I know my own leaves something to be desired. Since my timing isnt that great, I’ve been spamming s.lp to stop most honda headbuts. Seems to work solong as you are just outside his sweep distance. Any closer, I tend to be in trouble.

My expirence against honda is that he basicly does everything Cammy does, but better. He can generally out-zone you, and most of his specials beat Cammy’s out (CannonDrill < Headbutt for instance). About the only thing I’ve run into was beating out HHS with c.mp. This is still just a poke, but often times I get tricked into getting swept for my bad guess at HHS.

[Syxx573]

well look at it this way

lets say you get an edge on honda as far as life, he’s gonna want to come in on you and because of jumping back MP, you can start running away

seems like he’s going to chase you either by rushing you down or trying to chip at you with head butts

you gotta think about what he might want to do in the situation and be ready with thrust kicks to counter the headbutts, rather than just guessing

[Shari]

I probably just haven’t played any good Hondas.

[Vicioustale]

I find j.short to be very hard to crossup with as opposed to Ken’s j.forward. I’ll hit the training mode though, what’s her best crossup combo?

Also does she have anything that links into Super?

[Shari]

I find j.short to be very hard to crossup with as opposed to Ken’s j.forward. I’ll hit the training mode though, what’s her best crossup combo?

Also does she have anything that links into Super?

The hitbox for it is located just directly below her.
So you need to land just ontop of them.

You can combo into c.strong > c.forward into roundhouse drill i believe.

The strong > forward will always hit but i’ve only managed to get the drill to work on larger characters. That might just be my lack of practice with her though.

[RagingStormX]

Anyone mess around with meaty canon drill?

[Kersey]

Is there a way to get her dark green leotard and purple gauntlets/leg camo in HDR? Best colors ever.

As good as her new motions and short drill are, I find myself still playing Nakamura-style against most opponents. I have a hard time with her mixups, they’re all very strict on distance and timing. Spin knuckle or hooligan slide on wakeup? Does that interrupt reversals or something? My ass gets dped like no tomorrow, neither move seems quick enough to trick a good opponent on wakeup.

[lseelba]

Is there a way to get her dark green leotard and purple gauntlets/leg camo in HDR? Best colors ever.

As good as her new motions and short drill are, I find myself still playing Nakamura-style against most opponents. I have a hard time with her mixups, they’re all very strict on distance and timing. Spin knuckle or hooligan slide on wakeup? Does that interrupt reversals or something? My ass gets dped like no tomorrow, neither move seems quick enough to trick a good opponent on wakeup.

Check out the hitboxes in training mode. Spin knuckle’s hit box is way in front of Cammy’s hittable area, so if someone reversal dp’s your spin knuckle you won’t get hit, if they screw up the reversal they will get hit, and if they block you have frame advantage.

[System_1]

Distance your Cannon Drills properly. Stay pretty much at the max range Vega can stab you with Low Forward and Low Jab and do lots of Low forwards. They eat the Low Jab/Strong cleanly at that distance. And then go for occasional well-distanced Cannon Drills for chip damage. Try to Cannon Spike (Thrust Kick) his counter pokes after a Blocked Cannon Drill. if you pull it off once, they become scared to poke again. Eventually, they’ll get tired of sitting there and losing, and try to attack you, and I assume you’re not worried when he attacks, so just do your normal thing from that point forward.

• James

hey i apreacite it man, alot of the stuff you told me helped. Quick question but… whats a low foward?

edit: never mind i just found out XD dont laugh

[Sosage]

Anyone mess around with meaty canon drill?

On a grounded opponent? Sounds risky.

Standing short for Honda Headbutt btw. You’re gonna have to spam the shit out of it and it has to be a lot more precise than spamming it to beat Blanka balls (Gief seems to have the same issue with spamming low.Jab vs. Honda…I’m not a big Gief player though). You have to keep your distance or you’ll eat something else, but it does help encourage Honda players to get out of charge.

[Syxx573]

i somehow managed to get 2nd at the chicago tourney using cammy the entire time

i could have won but i messed up on a wakeup dp/super at the end and ate a meaty cr.roundhouse from chun

damnit!!! >_<

btw i have question… is there any beating out chun li if she takes a step back at the begining and does her fireball? It seemed like everything I tried got beat, so I was just wondering.

I really need to wait out chunli a bit more but i know that when i do i’m gonna get tossed

[Mixah]

umm… have more patience. don’t try to win the fight as soon as you hear “fight!”

[MiloDC]

is there any beating out chun li if she takes a step back at the begining and does her fireball? It seemed like everything I tried got beat, so I was just wondering.

Not sure what you mean.

If you know it’s coming, it’s easy to counter (which is true of most attacks in the game in most situations). Step forward hooligan, step forward backfist, or step forward j.RH.

If you’re asking what you can do a the start of the round that counters all of her openings, including that one (which is good to use vs. Cammy) – well, nothing. No character has a 100% safe opening attack.

[Syxx573]

well the problem is knew it was coming but it was beating every option i could think of, i probably should have stepped forward with her at the begining of the match