Can we talk about the character redesigns?

PVL_93_RU · September 19, 2015, 3:07pm

Nice joke

Daemos · September 19, 2015, 5:05pm

This is the best Bipson concept since CvS2 Bison. Bison always evolved with each game and showcased his special move potential, but here it’s like we are getting the long awaited SF3 Bison remake, or better yet we ar getting the best of all his incarnations in one version. Sure the walkspeed is painful, but he makes it look so easy. In the context of SF5 and the V system, Bison got it really great. Everyone who says otherwise is just jelly!

Runner ups:

Fallen Knight/Two Face/Harvey Dent Nash. Fucking finally. A little on the nose but it’s bold, interesting, and exactly the character needed after a long hiatus.

Birdie and Karin are also boss redesigns. Ken is gameplay-wise but falls short because of face and hair.

Worst redesign is Vega, his moveset lacks vision and I am not referring to motion inputs. It just feels like unfulfilled potential.

Cammy is my runner up for least favorite redesign. Just lacks vision and conservative.

Gojira · September 19, 2015, 6:06pm

Does Cammy really count as a redesign? Her Cannon Spike design has been around since the Dreamcast gen.

Daemos · September 19, 2015, 6:51pm

Now that I think about it, no it doesn’t really.

Mangy_Cat · September 19, 2015, 7:22pm

I dig Karin’s redesign but don’t like her sporting those leggings because it looks too similar to Rose’s iconic leggings. Give her normal pants or something.

PVL_93_RU · September 19, 2015, 7:55pm

Well maybe it’s time to update Rose’s default look then? Besides, you’re saying this like it’s unusual for Capcom to have characters wearing similar outfits (pretty much every shoto)

Magegg · September 19, 2015, 8:44pm

At this point, I expect every character to be announced after that to receive some sort of redesign.

What characters were redesigned in Street Fighter IV? Only Gen and Evil Ryu, IIRC; and Ibuki got bigger boobs.

But I think this time they’re trying to finally show some “passing of time” for the characters, at least for the older ones (SFII and Alpha). Maybe they didn’t do that with Chun-Li because they are the protagonists and they were the first ones to be announced and they wanted to “play it safe” with them, but I still take their announced alternate costumes as their “true” redesigns to fit along with the mood of the rest of the roster.

Probably the SFIII and IV characters won’t be redesigned because the proximity with those games, in the timeline sense, and because they aren’t veteran/well-known/famous enough characters.

PVL_93_RU · September 19, 2015, 9:07pm

Everybody got bigger boobs, better hips, prettier legs and sleeker asses

/Keepo

mykka · September 19, 2015, 10:51pm

I wouldnt mind this Rose costume returning:

BB_Hoody · September 19, 2015, 11:01pm

Virtua_Leon:

Yeah i think people are confusing redesign with just being in the actual game and having changes to fit into the game system, i mean karin, looks pretty much the same as alpha karin minus some system fitting changes, it’s not on the level of birdie or nash

birdie 10/10 this is the shit i wanna see real character evolution, even though you might not personally like how he looks or plays i’ll always give credit where credit is due, i mean on the negative side you can say " well it’s birdie nobody gives a fuck what you do to him" and yes that’s true but i still have to give kudos to capcom

Bison 8/10 looks fun, looks different has new stuff, looks miles more fun than chunky bison ever was, still dont think he’ll ever replace my fave bison, which is EX 2 bison, not quite as radical as birdie but still enough changes to say " i feel this character has evolved"

nash 9/10 for the record i love original nash and i dont really like franken nash, but still, you have to face up to the fact sometimes the changes might not be to your personal tastes, but again i feel that character has evolved (i might not like it but then others will and i appreciate that, and who’s to say that my opinion wont change)

Ken 7/10 while at first i was feeling the ken hype, i got to use him a couple of times and i personally dont think they’ve been brave enough, while yes there are some nice changes i dont feel there’s enough, i was expecting better, but having said that i do feel that even though i’m a bit disappointed with ken i do feel that there’s progress

chun li 2/10 dont give me iconic classic and all that other shit, i thought that’s what sf 4 was for, when i first saw the first trailer she had that shit in the air, i was thinking “ok she looks the same but she looks like she’s got some funk” after using her i must say i felt very underwhelmed, outside of system additions and changes she feels the same

Cammy 1/10 i think even if you gave her a makeover outfit wise i think it would have helped, i’m not gonna get into the good or bads of her outfit, but it might have helped people who dont like cammy take her a bit more seriously as a character, but then you couple the fact she hardly has any new moves and still has the personality of a toothbrush, it all adds up to a complete waste of an opportunity

mika 7/10 in terms of actual moves and gameplan i think she looks like a interesting character to play as, how much she feels like she has evolved it’s hard to say for a character that’s only been in 2 games and 2 games with over a decade between them, i can forgive capcom keeping her look the same

vega 6/10 dont like vega never have never will, but looks alot more interesting than any vega i’ve seen since st, i feel there’s enough changes to say there’s a bit of evolution there

ryu 0/10 what redesign? has almost nothing new or interesting that’s not a system aided change, yeah yeah classic yeah yeah iconic, we’ve heard it all before, there’s nothing that sf5 ryu offers i’ve not seen in the last 20 years using ryu

Karin, who gives a flying fuck?

Decent job overall

Yeah that whole Iconic/classic excuse has been used up. If MK series can change their characters up and still keep that iconic/nostalgic feel to them. Why can’t Capcom do it with Street Fighter?

PVL_93_RU · September 19, 2015, 11:44pm

That’s a bit too revealing. And too Middle-Eastern IMO, Rose’s Italian after all

FengShuiEnergy · September 19, 2015, 11:51pm

Too revealing? rolls eyes

PVL_93_RU · September 20, 2015, 1:28am

For Rose - yes, she isn’t known to have outfits like Mika or Poison

FengShuiEnergy · September 20, 2015, 1:42am

I actually like it. Looks good on her.

Pterodactyl · September 20, 2015, 8:49am

^I don’t think that’s what he was arguing…

Franken-Nash is awesome, such a cool way to bring back a dead character. Instead of the cliche evil spirit or clone route, they straight up brought him back as a horribly scarred reanimated corpse. That’s fucking sick.

Deadpool_Merc · September 23, 2015, 1:11am

Ken - 10/10 Love the redesign, both his look and gameplay. They just need to keep polishing his hair/face.
Bison - 10/10 Love it, love it love it. I even love his terribly slow (but intimidating) walk speed. And this is from a guy that had trouble using Ken in SF4 before he got a walkspeed increase. Everything about Bison in this game just screams “Fuck with me you will DIE!!!”

The other redesigns are fine.

Magegg · September 23, 2015, 4:19am

What if Akuma receives a redesign? O.O

Cestus · September 23, 2015, 5:34pm

Ryu 10/10- Perfect iconic design, good they did’nt touch that. Also lol at people asking for beard alt to be the standard, glad they did’nt.

Ken 11/10- I fucking did it 27 june bitches SFV Costumes - What Do You Want to See

Chun 9/10- Perfect iconic design, but was acceptable some tweak

Charlie 9/10- FrankeNash look awesome imho, great redesign both as redesign and visual moveset

Bison 8/10- Not so fan of white hairs but as a whole it look great, specially thanks to new visual moveset, btw lose the psycho crusher as common special is kinda a loss for the char appearance as a whole

Karin 7/10- hate her design, but at least is’nt schoolgirl version

R.Mika- 6/10 without hearts look a lil more plain (btw moveset redesign is awesome)

Cammy- 5/10 without scar/triangle/camolegs look a lot more plain, the black belts don’t compensate. big plasticboobs look strange on her. At least they fixed the face

Vega- 5/10 not an improvement. Also -1 because why the fuck they did’nt keep him brown hair, there are already 18 blond chars

Birdie- 4/10 fun but Alpha version was waaay better

Cestus · September 23, 2015, 5:58pm

Any non-Ryu shoto should receive heavy redesign like they did for Ken, so yes hopefully Akuma too

Sephiroth73003 · September 23, 2015, 6:08pm

Hm, having played Ken I don’t feel he was ‘heavily’ redesigned. He plays the same as the biggest change is a new animation and set of properties on his RH hurricane. Other changes are all fairly marginal and his v-skill is interesting and will make him more aggressive, but he still has a shoto style to his play. Ken also seems pretty good design wise outside of his face and hair, but they redid Cammy’s face so maybe he will get a face rework also.

Honestly, it seems like whoever modeled a lot of the SFV cast just makes all hair like it is made from play dough. This is evident in Ken, Karin, and Vega to the most. Wish they would go for a polygon style realistic looking set of hair instead or at least do some texture mapping to not make it look stupid.

Personally I only have issue with Karin’s redesign, really only her and Charlie/Nash are different characters. The core game play is very similar or an improvement on their old game plan for every other character. Most of the changes are aesthetic with a new mechanic to their game via v-skill / v-trigger. Charlie was changeable because he was literally a guile clone, so giving him a new move set is understandable because eventually Guile will make it into the game. Karin was the only character who was imo gutted and not given interesting stuff in exchange for what they took away. Also she is the ONLY character to have her most iconic move taken away from her and made her v-trigger which is kinda a slap to the face. Your most iconic special is now only usable in v-trigger?