I didn’t realize I was mentioned in the OP.
Cammy’s a good character. Her mixups are good, damage output is great, footsies are good, meter building is great, and she can still defy gravity. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cammy ends up in top 5 of this game.
SORRY I’M NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN TOURNAMENTS AND BRING OVER FANBOYS D;
in my opinion she is top 5 from what i understand of the game till now, only characters that i can comfortably say are better than her would be Akuma and Seth, after that I don’t know for sure if there is someone better than her, i can think of some that feels just as good, but i still think it’s way too ridiculous when someone says she has no bad matchups.
I like this Stein. I think she has the potential to be top 5 but just don’t believe she is there yet or proven to be. Id probably put her between 6-8. I have a hard time putting her ahead of Ryu, Sagat, Akuma or Fei long, i just can’t do it. I think those characters are more well-rounded in tournament play. I think anyone who is serious about winning a major or large tournament needs an alt with Cammy. However, with one of the previous characters i mentioned i don’t think you would need an alt. I just base this on what we have all seen in the past. As everyone can pretty much agree, Cammy was better in Super. However, even then i never saw her win or come close to winning a major. So with her being a little worse now then before, what’s changed? And west-lo i wasn’t calling you a tool.
This Cammy comes pretty close to Super Cammy. I personally don’t like Fei Long. I understand he’s good and all, but he feels too much of a one trick pony. His comeback potential is meh and there’s not much variation to his gameplay.
In American SF, you’re going to have to know how to play all the characters. We counter pick. Problem though is you have to put so much time into Cammy, you won’t have as much time to put into anyone else or any other game.
lets spice this thread up again.
Umehara 1-3 Kindevu
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Like I said earlier Rai aint on Ume’s level, and when the first top class playing using Cammy plays Daigo, he wins.
so, you think kindevu beating daigo in a ft3 really means something?
cause if you do, I hope you think kindevu losing to tokido(who’s playing kinda crappy btw) means something too =)
A 15 game sample size is much more useful than a 4 game sample size when looking at matchups. Let’s wait until the FT10 between Kindevu and Daigo and see how that goes.
If Daigo could go 8-10 against superpowered SSF4 Cammy played by Sako, I’m fairly sure he won’t have trouble dealing with neutered AE Cammy. Either way, you shouldn’t draw conclusions from the results of matches, but rather use them to understand why a matchup leans one way or the other, and take all factors into account.
Sako lost the first 6 games when he won 10-8 IIRC… if it went longer it would’ve been lopsided… he had Daigo mindfucked and downloaded… same thing happened with Daigo and Kazunoko a week ago… Kazu’s Seth went up 6-0 and than Daigo came back to win it 11-9.
Tokido knows the Cammy match up better than any other Akuma, ask Alioune. He took a matchup many thought was 6-4 and some 7-3 to 5-5 (in his opinion) by the end of Super.
IMO, we should be discussing about the strategies and approach each player took and reasons why they won or lost. E.G Kindevu dropping links which cost him or Tokido shouldn’t have done that etc. I still stand that by using win/lose ratio to compare bad match up is never ending even if you’re using top players matches. They may be the best, but their not perfect. So many factors, both hard and soft, are at play during a match. If we just stick to analysing the match, highlight the strength and weaknesses of the game play, we’re much more productive than ‘X beat Y FT10 therefore X is a bad match for Y’
I face palm every time he dropped crhp crmk link.
Guys how about LPN bodying Ortiz and Vangief …Making Cammy look nice haha
Yea, but why is it that every good Cammy we see, don’t really go for the big damage when they get the chance. I’m not saying you have go for it every single time, but there are many clear chance where if they went for the big combos like stein/sako combo, they could’ve sealed the match easily. Plus, Cammy mains should learn character specific combos. Vs Grief, your go to punish should be jump in > cr HP > far st. Hp > Spiral Arrow. Non 1 framer, damaging as hell. All the combos they are doing are super combos. So far, the only ones I’ve seen maximizing Cammy’s potential is Sako and Alioune. Of course, I won’t deny its easier to see and comment from the back seat, but still…
I dunno, lately I’ve been using cr.lk, cr.lp, cr.mp and varying combination similar just for the factor that I can hit confirm into 2 hit arrow or at every shot I can mix up in a lot of ways. Cammy’s so dangerous when she sticks onto an opponent.
I seen him once or twice trying to go for the st.MP > cr.HP > fs.MP xx SA which i think is the best punish on gief but he missed it. More often than not he was just going for st.HP xx SA as a punish, even st.HP cr.MP xx SA is better…considering the punishes though he did stun Vangief twice. I really think maintaining safe pressure is more important than raw damage, although both is obviously the best.
In a grief match up, I think is reasonable to stick with simple 2 framers. I also agree that sometimes safer is better. ‘Better it hit than risk missing a big combo’ is not a wrong attitude to take. What is wrong, IMO, is ‘simply sticking to 1-2 easy combos throughout the game’. Players should be consciously looking for that window to land one, even if you don’t for whatever reasons.
4 Cammy players qualified for the Capcom 3v3 Spring Tournament already, 17 teams out of the 32 known.
Haneyama (Juri), Yossan (Juri), Waike (Juri), Tsuna (Juri), Tsukami (Juri)
Ajipon (Rufus), MDR (Rufus), Kekkonyama (Rufus), Jeppa (Rufus), Inco (Rufus)
Banbaban (Cammy), Akua (Cammy), Y. (Cammy), Asutabi (Cammy)
Karichin (Adon), TWF|GamerBee (Adon), Muki (Adon), EX Mamehara (Adon)
Shinochan (Oni) Wao (Oni) Taigi (Oni)
Lariken (Sagat), Gachimottsun (Sagat), Soy Master (Sagat)
-6- (Akuma), MCZ|Tokido (Akuma), Chiba (Akuma)
Kawaguchi (Rose) Keshikaran (Rose)
a.k.a.jojo (Dictator), Jinetta (Dictator)
Itabashi Zangief (Zangief), Pantyjohns (Zangief)
Fransujin (Cody), Adlibouji (Cody)
Fuudo (Fei Long), MCZ|Mago (Fei Long)
Naruo (Ryu), MCZ|Daigo (Ryu)
Dashio (Seth), TH|PoongKO (Seth)
Bon/Playerjun52 (Ken)
Y24 (Chun Li)
Uryo (Sakura)
FU★K YUN (Yun)
YHC Mochi (Dhalsim),
T-SRAI (Blanka)
Vegeta (Gouken)
Kuroken (Dudley),
Sendaime Ryou-san (Yang)
WW|Ryan Hart (?)
It is really a surprise that Rufus and Cammy would be back once Yun and Yang were nerfed… nope!
After some more time with Cammy, I’m beginning to accept the top 5 status. There are some pretty solid US Cammy’s, and if Alioune or Banbaban make it to EVO and bring their A game… holy balls, yo.
Also, I’m making the jump from PSN to XBL later this week, and am looking forward to leveling up my Cammy against some better connections. 
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I was watching Socal regional’s last night and i felt compelled to make this thread. I know it’s been discussed before but having a better understanding of the game than i have ever had before, i wanted to bring it up to the rest of the Cammy community. I especially wanted input from the mentors and veterans such as Seikuryu, Ailoune, Princess Di, James Chen and Teyah. Let me reiterate that Cammy is my main and i have always played her as i was taught my first combo’s from SeikuRyu. I love her character and play-style and that will never change. However, i for one never believed she was as viable in tournaments or as strong as people claimed her to be. I always saw players having to play really great matches just to compete, while other pressure characters such as Rufus could afford to make more mistakes and still usually pull out the win. Another reason i feel/felt this way is because i have never seen Cammy win a major. I feel there is a reason people don’t use her at all or don’t use her consistently. James Chen made a really good point during the stream last night. During a Vega vs Ryu match he said along the lines that “Vega is a good character and can win you matches, but isn’t the type of character that will win you a tournament”. And from what i have seen and known i feel this is dead on for Cammy as well. She seems for the most part to be a great alternate character that you can pull out when you are feeling her or the match up. I feel that if you are bringing Cammy to a tournament you have to have another character in your pocket ready to go. Maybe you guys completely disagree but that’s how i have been feeling. I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say.<br>
-Alex<br> It’s not the character its the player look at dieminion taking top 8 at evo with guile sure top tier characters have a better chance at winning tournaments but it’s the player playing that character there’s alot of people saying tht dhalsim is ass hakan is bad or w.e but look at people tht play lower tier characters mochi (i think it’s him) he plays dhalsim & wins tournaments lol look at tht hakan player getting perfects against the japs & actually winning a tournament the only thing i can say to you is to play a character you love & just go from there if you wanna win tournaments have a secondary character like cammy fei long viper or akuma seth or ibuki but every character can win tournaments its not the character its the player<br></div>
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Please don’t compare Cammy to Vega. That’s silly.