I dont know where the ‘cammy loses to charge character’ comes from . She literally raped Honda and Dictator, and beated all other charge characters in ssf4, as for shotos, cammy was like their worst matchup. Her matchups didnt change that much except for the nerfed top tier chars where she got better. She’s imo as good as she was in ssf4, just different with one of the highest learning curve in the game. Cammy is way better in this game than yun and yang combined. I think she was even in ae vs Yun(matchup)and had a slight disadvantage (5,5/4,5) against Yang. Right now she’s back to where she was in ssf4 ,just takes lot of work.
Like what most ppl have said; pull yun, yang, fei down a bit and we’re good. But in reality, that alone is not gonna cut it.
It is funny though, how there are a bunch of ppl saying that cammy is so good and kind of complaining about her, but we rarely see cammy in tournies. So on the topic of tournament viability, I think she’s got a shot for sure, but (like what a few ppl said) she needs to work a lot harder than most characters and to most players, its just not worth it. Heck, I even get somewhat stressed when playing online with randoms. She requires pretty good execution and one slip up costs you a ton of health plus momentum. As for matchups, I don’t think she really has that much difficulty with the top tiers (although the tier list is all over the place atm). There have been a few changes to a few matchups imo, but I haven’t really come across any complete game-changers yet…but I’ve only been playing really solid t.hawks, giefs, ryus, guiles, bisons, boxers, akumas and one really annoying e.ryu. Overall, I think that 2012 is turning into a game where character loyalty won’t conflict with competitive play as much (of course there’s always gonna be some of that) and I’m liking how it’s going so far.
edit* >.< beat me to it sensei
The Cammy loses to charge characters was as shown in tournaments countless times throughout Super’s life, as well as by matchup charts created by high-ranked japanese Cammy players. Ryu had the slight edge in AE and probably still does with his extra damage and footsie buffs (Air’s Ryu even eliminated both Cammys in the top 32 today in SCR), I agree she’s way better than twins in this game due to old arrow + twins nerfs. I also think she’s way more viable than before, almost to Super levels.
Tourney results doent mean much when it comes to tiers and matchups. Both Cammy lost to better player. Players win tournaments, not characters. Cammy is still a very bad matchup for ryu no matter how u look at it .Which high ranked japanese player btw?
lol ditto. boxer is my kryptonite and I think he’s the only charge char that I really have trouble with. I’d also have to agree with sensei, ryu is pretty solid but cammy is the one that has the edge. c.mk is almost back to gdlk status, but even a scrub like me has been able to catch a lot of 'em with EXtkcs. Causes them to think twice about throwing it out. of course, that’s just about c.mk, which is probably what 90% of the ryus out there use as their primary footsie move.
i’ve been saying it over and over back in AE. cammy was pretty strong. she requires A LOT of knowledge and character specificness. its more “generic” setups at least now that hk sa knocks like super.
shes not conventional dive-kick , mixup, or footsie character.
all the big damage combos and stun WERE THERE IN AE. nothing changed!. but she was over shadowed by team China.
maybe in AE she was even better alot of people didnt combo into that hk sa. only a select few. like seriously who gets unblockable setups after every knockdown? lol who knows! maybe capcom reverted hk sa back so that they eliminate the dive unblockables.
only time will tell. i wont jump into conclusions yet. in AE to me cammy was A-Tier only placed 4th in the roster. Yang, Yun, Failong, … Cammy!
Di,
Exactly. If you read my post history on this board you’ll see me saying the exact same thing. Bitch is retarded.
Glad to see somebody admits it…
So she has bad match ups??? I’m confused :wtf:… Are players here really trying to insinuate that this fact alone suggests her being anything less than a viable character? I thought weaknesses are simply inherent to a play style… Cammy plays a certain way so naturally certain weaknesses follow, the same could be said for boxer, honda, sagat, etc… WHy Am i explaining this? Shouldn’t this be understood at this point in the game? Am i missing something?
Other characters can afford to make mistakes while cammy has to play on point??? What??? This sounds like the complaint of a vega player… Cammy has to play polished all the time?
I think Cammy has a fair amount of wiggle room for sloppiness. Dozens of times Cammy players have fucked up their combo into drill kick while at the same time spacing it out making its recovery being much smaller than the opponent thought it would it would be; leading to the opponent either getting DP’d out of their punish, or having cammy back dash away from their throw…
Lots of times players have baited her DP and had it so that it her positioning was RIGHT over their head making it hard to tell which side she would fall on, throwing them off their punish.
At this point, if theres any doubt reguarding her tournament viablity, I guess that can’t be helped???
She’s got really good cross ups, frame traps for days… virtually safe 50/50 set ups that do tons of damage, and a DP…
COMMON! what more do yall what??? If a character has all of that and players are STILL suggesting her being 2nd rate, yall gotta step ur shit up :shake:
Or maybe I’m missing something…
She do have bad match ups. Try playing against boxer, fei, yang and honda. If you have no problems with them, you need better opponents.
Cammy has no safe moves at all. She can’t safe pressure. All her combos ends with SA and if you drop your combo with a blocked SA, you get punish big time. If players are unable to punish SA after a dropped combo, they are not good enough. SA is only safed when spaced correctly and that requires a predicable amount of distance, uncomboable, or a specific set up.
Cammy has to play on point. I’m not saying you have 0 room for errors, but any mistakes is hard to cover up due to the tools she has.
I don’t know what this means. I only got baited by safe jumps or took a failed gamble and always get punished after a blocked DP. What’s this secret tech? :eek:
This needs to be on the front page of SRK.
IMO, Cammy is a very technical character. While some other characters rely on their properties of their moves, Cammy relies almost 100% on the skills of the player. Her game plan requires good reading, good knowledge and good execution. If a player can do that, then IMO, Cammy is 1 badass character. It has been proven with the likes of Sako and Alioune that Cammy is no joke character.
I personally too find her really good and rate her top 5 easy. I love to mind fuck my opponents when all they do is down back and try to zone me out. Its a weaknesses no doubt, but its not like its set in stone.
Tournament viability is really subjective though. IMO, tournament is much more leaning towards individual player skills and luck really. What if you play Cammy and your whole bracket are boxers? lol
Holy shit what I am reading… stop taking online seriously bro.
I don’t understand this boxer fear bad matchup vs turtles. Is so 2009. Don’t inflict your limitations, mistakes, unfamiliarity on the character.
Yes I agree with alioune. Ae2012 cammys learning curve is pretty steep.
it would take someone with very high execution, on point reaction, good fundamentals and deep matchup knowledge to fully utilize cammys potential and shoots her up the s-tier.
Again, give the game more time to mature before jumping into conclusions. Lol @ Japan fumbling without a clear cut top-tier broken characters.
Lol What’s up with Seth becoming the new Ken in terms of popularity. I fight 5 to 4 different seths almost every night since ae2012 dropped.
Di,
True, I’ll be the first the raise my hands with this slightly bias ‘fear of boxer match up’. But I can manage with boxers though. Its yang and fei that I’m really having problems. When I lose to boxer or honda when they zone me out, I’ll be like oh well, I’m not good enough. But when I lose to yang and fei it sends me into an immature nerd rage although I lose for the same reasons. LoL~ Something about them that irritates me and makes me play stupid and cause my own defeat. :oops:
Thankfully, I got good friends that tells me to stfu and learn the match up.
I won’t go as far as inflicting limitations, mistakes , unfamiliarity on the character. But, to a certain extend, isn’t this the cold, hard truth about fighting games? Remember how everyone was bandwagon-ing phoenix and bitching about how broken she was in MvC3? Then it took Tokido to teach the fighting community how easy it was to shut her down. After that, we could hardly see any more pheonix users.
This is just my personal opinion but, I kind of like that bias, or lousy assessment sometimes. It creates excitement and surprises in a good way like how Gamerbee stepped into the spotlight and show you how ‘low tier’ Adon was or Weirdoneo with his Juri being a badass without getting your fingers confused.
I understand. In ae I think yang and fie are cammys worst match ups. But now that’s not the case. To be confirmed once we gain more experience with 2012. I tell u it’s looking really good for cammy vs fei long.
I think Adon is still slept on character in ae. Not sure what they nerfed in 2012. Adons are pretty mad lol.
Juri in my honest opinion in ae and super was a garbage bad character. Now I’m liking that pin wheel fadc and u1 dash buff she has potential to be mid tier now.
Di,
You can say the same about every character. You have good fundamentals and have match up knowledge enough to make solid reads, you’re gonna win games no matter who you are using. Eventually ease and realistic application of tools counts for something.
Everyone in this game has bad matchups and I can not think of any 7-3 match ups against her.She has a retarded meta game you just have to play sf now to get it.My only issue is os crouch tech focus backdash is a bitch but that is my issue as a player to get around that with cammy.
Yea. Maybe that’s why you don’t see much Cammys around yet players acknowledged her as a great character.
I don’t think she has a retarded meta gaming. She needs a lot of effort to play. The twins and fei did in AE though. As for 7-3 match ups, I think its only present in SF 4 vanilla and AE. Super and 2012 I don’t really see anyone that has 7-3 match ups though it might be premature to say for 2012.
I think people get a bit wrapped up in the usefulness of a high potential mix up game. I’m guilty of it myself a lot of the time. You see a Cammy make some great reads and it can look like she is unstoppable.
My opinion may not mean much since I am guilty of being TeamNAH and not attending any tournaments. However, I feel that cammy is really strong. Sometimes I almost feel (sorry/bad) in some matchups and that my opponent got a slim chance of winning.
It’s definitely too early to judge. So far things are looking pretty good for our pixie Killer Bee.
So now that your god (Daigo) said basicaly what i said earlier in this thread, can we all assume if you are failing its your own fault (like everything else) and get back to work?
“So now that your god (Daigo) said basicaly what i said earlier in this thread” means that you also think Cammy is in top 3?