Yeah, and can’t she tack the ultra onto the end of that?
I’ve been forcing myself to play SF4 for the past week or so, and I am liking it more. Rose is pretty fun to play, and I like the fact that Dan can run, makes dealing with turtles a little less annoying when using him.
Weird that you can do the double-FB super motion, then tack on sequential button presses and get both moves out. e.g. With Rose, double-FB motion, then press kick (soul spiral) then immediately press punch (cancel into soul spark super). Or could you do this in SF3 and I just didn’t know about it?? (I never played that game seriously.)
Enough SF4 though, this is the HDR forum and I’d like to keep things germane.
Ok well technically jiggly’s comment bout Hawk snowballed us into IV.
Also, IV is very connected to whether II dies or not, so its part of the topic.
Think about it this way, IV is the “SF” of this decade(we’ll see if it lasts). Now look at the planning for SSFIV, they are planning on implementing a lobby system, and revisons to the netcode. There’s a petition for a “GGPO” structure.
If IV’s online can be equated to HDR’s, and there’s more interest,(especially in my area) then that’s enough for me.
Now if you look at the subtopic of the forum, there is hope for SFII on the West Coast.
However, in the South East, SFII is dead and forgotten(except for anyone playing HDR online/ST GGPO).
I think its time to acknowledge, that though are game may be old, the ways in which we have to play it are not. It’s time to say the internet is the future, and most people will play it that way. I mean of course, there will be times where it will be more appropriate to play live events, and those may require travel, but the internet is the future of gaming… PERIOD… not just fighting games and so I’m not sure why there’s all the discontent about people not having local scenes when we can say now (or build now) a national scene. Admittedly the internet is not perfect, and maybe that’s the bug on it, but its getting better and with as few problems as I personally have on XBL HDR, I’ll take it.
Because I could play SFIV lag free. Also, I can take the bus free since I’m a student. So I could go out for a few hours and get away from my parents.
That’s a win right there!
Sure online play is the way to go, but online will never have that “being right there with the guy while you play” maybe its because I never got to experience the whole “community” thing since it was before my time. My disconnect with the online experience comes from the interaction being through the tv, and not actually person to person.
As someone who was an avid player in the arcades, I can tell you that the only thing that I liked about the “community” scene was that I met some great players who eventually turned out to be enduring friends of mine. (e.g. zaspacer and kuroppi were present at my wedding.)
Other than that, I much prefer playing online. I find Street Fighter more thrilling when people are riled up and talking smack, rage quitting, sending hate messages… just being their default asshole selves in general. I like passion in my Street Fighter – arrogance, anger, spite, etc. – and obviously, that doesn’t happen nearly as often when people are face-to-face.
One reason I don’t care for offline tournaments is that I sometimes run into someone I talked sh!t to. We invariably end up being nice to each other, and that just ruins all of the negative energy capital that I had stored up to make our fights more intense.
I could definately see that. At Westcoast Warzone when I was playing casuals you were right behing me on the other TV playing against someone. I didn’t know it was you until after you left and someone pointed it out to me.
I don’t know, I probably would have asked for your autograph or something!
Yeah, dude, I swore I saw Milo for one second at WCW, but I thought to myself, “Milo wouldn’t actually be at WCW, would he?” and then thought nothing of it later on. Dammit, now I feel totally bad I didn’t stop and say Hi. It’s been years since we’ve seen each other.
And while I understand where you are coming from on the “smack talk and anger” path, Milo, I still disagree. You can feel a lot more and learn a lot more playing in person. I mean, back on the days of agsf2, I always called Seth Killian my mortal enemy. And now whenever we see each other in person, we’re all super cordial and stuff. I guess it DOES take a bit of the edge off, but I generally believe if you are a super competitive person (which I am), you don’t ever really need that extra motivation. Whenever I play people online, something is definitely missing.
Plus the other advantage we have, Milo, is that we HAVE played people in person, so we can kinda GUESS what people online are doing or how they’re reacting. It helps a LOT, because playing offline, you learn to notice things at the same time your opponent does, so you know how to expect when they are gonna adjust. Online, that is MUCH harder to do, but because we’ve played offline, we can still have a better chance at “educatedly” guessing those moments because we’ve experienced them in person. People who have only played online are definitely missing that part of their game.
Luckily for Milo and the guests, I did not show up in Honda costume!
Zaspacer on the other hand, felt the need to wear his camoflage and spike his hair up. :clown:
I do agree with Milo’s take on the community and the intensity of matches. I’ve met a ton of great people at the various arcades and tournaments I’ve been to over the years and it’s always great to catch up with everyone at every new event. And while I certainly enjoy the community that is there now, I still do enjoy the intensity that is there when you’re playing against a stranger (or someone you’ve never met before) online, especially when the opponent is good. It is like the old days in the arcade when some random guy shows up and starts kicking butt and you’re like ‘who the hell is this guy and where did he come from? It’s ON!’
Yeah, I certainly remember that about the arcade scene. But you guys are right, online has the same atmosphere in that respect. The tension of facing a possibly good player that you’ve never faced before is great. That, plus spectator mode make Remix online and GGPO worth gold IMO.
Rather than wax negative on the future of SF2, I’ll say that I’m amazed that a game I played as a teenager is still being played by teenagers in 2009. I can log in any time of the day or night and find at least a handful of lobbies to play in. It’s almost like being on Xband again - almost.
SSF4 does sound promising. I hope Dimps can iron out some of SF2’s problems while shedding some of the baggage from SF4. Both SF4 and HDR made steps in the right direction. Some of the stuff in SF4 was a step backwards from HDR (5 input mash moves, overlapping super/ultra/special commands, difficult links), but other changes were a step in the right direction (easier reversals, slower gameplay, toned down damage/longer matches). All they really need to do is drop the xenophobia long enough to implement some of the good stuff from HDR. Then they can add a buffer to make low-frame frame links easier to pull off and we’d be closer to SF nirvana than we’ve been in 15 years.
I prefer the greater personal development of the community and live energy of the arcade.
And nothing touches the days of WW in terms of ease of access to a rush, when you could travel to any unknown arcade or 7-11 or college and take on the local comp with a MASSIVE crowd of people looking on and getting riled up.
Very similar to the tourney scene now, but at a local level.
But the convenience of online (play in your own place, etc.) can’t be beat.
And voice chat and quarter rooms online + online forums deliver in my eyes in terms of solid community development.
If anyone is curious we have half of a new batch of tournament vids up, It’s good stuff all around. We’re working on it, and I think alot of these matches will help us in creating an HDR exclusive tier list and help with other theory fighter type things that’ll keep it interesting for the debaters in our midst. We do have TONS of Honda vs. Ken lol.
Man, there is not a god damn thing interesting about SF4 or HDR. Your best form of entertainment right now is everyone talking shit to one another.
That was my whole plan when I posted to Milo but then i got sidetracked with life and didn’t get a chance to reply. Now I would just look like a dick bringing up week old arguments. I’ll find something new I’m sure. hahahha
(keep in mind me and milo have been posting since agsf2 days)
